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Hillsborough. Police did doctor evidence in a bid to avoid blame.

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Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold · 12/09/2012 01:21

A report in the Independent about the cover up. RIP to the people who lost their lives on 15th April 1989.
And condolences to the families who are still suffering.

www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/exclusive-hillsborough--police-did-doctor-evidence-in-bid-to-avoid-blame-8126233.html

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Growlithe · 14/09/2012 09:38

This is in the report:

13 The SYP decision to replace the experienced match commander, Chief Superintendent Brian Mole, and appoint Chief Superintendent David Duckenfield who had minimal experience of policing at Hillsborough, just weeks before an FA Cup semi-final, has been previously criticised. None of the documents disclosed to the Panel indicated the rationale behind this decision.

And this:

  1. From the documents disclosed to the Panel, the management roles and responsibilities of senior SYP officers were unclear, particularly the lines of communication, decision-making and information exchange between those responsible for policing outside the stadium and the ground commander inside the stadium.
SammyTheSwedishSquirrel · 14/09/2012 09:44

Thanks, I thought I read it someone.

SammyTheSwedishSquirrel · 14/09/2012 09:44

*someone? SOMEWHERE!

donnie · 14/09/2012 09:44

Coming to this thread rather late, I can only reiterate what others have said about the awfulness of the corruption involved here, quite apart from the incompetence which led to the deaths in the first place. I have also been reading past threads on a MN search on 'Hillsborough' which are interesting.

It should come as no surprise that the Government , in slimy cahoots with the Police and the press, especially the Murdoch press, conspired to suppress the truth and propogate a mass of lies whcih have taken years and years to expose. It should come as no surprise because it is still happening today. David Cameron in bed with Rebekah Brooks and Andy Coulson, who are in bed and chucking bungs - five figure bungs I expect - to coppers who will sell them details of Milly Dowler's mobile phone. They are all in it together. They are utter, utter cunts. They were utter, utter cunts.

Thatcher and Murdoch were determined to crucify those people, those lefties. And the police helped them doit. Like Wapping. Like the miners. Utter utter bastards of the highest order.

They should be charged with perverting the course of justice and go to fucking prison.

JFT96.

bottleofbeer · 14/09/2012 10:33

I always feel a bit of a fraud when people apologise to this city as a whole, I wasn't directly affected. We all knew someone who lost somebody, we all knew a traumatised survivor... I simply lucked out because my family is almost entirely blue (which makes for uhmmm...interesting banter on derby day!)

I was at the vigil and the families thanked us all, and again I wondered why. But I've realised it's because we didn't question it, it was just the truth and we all knew it. It must have meant so much to them in the face of the doubters, in the face of certain Chelsea fans cheering through the minute's silence. In the face of certain Man U fans spitting on the memorial. But that's ok because the fans were just murdering scum and Liverpool wallows in self pity and enjoys it's perceived victim status.

Not so much now, eh?

When we can afford it we take our LFC mad 14 year old to matches, and I think "thank god you're a generation later because that could have been you"

We saw those children on the big screen, no different from my boy. So many times I've been involved in Hillsborough discussions in various forums, the belief in those lies in general was staggering. I'd get so bloody angry my fists would involuntarily clench with frustration and time and again I'd spell it out, as it really was. I'm still seeing stupid posts, spouting the same old shit but now I shrug, that's just your ignorance, pal. Usually from LFC haters who don't have the intelligence to grasp that this isn't a football issue. It's a human tragedy issue. Whatever team made that semi final and was allocoated the Leppings Lane end would have been the victims of Hillsborough but in the past they've told themselves their fans are/were better behaved and they brought it on themselves.

Now they're just pissing in the wind. Cranky little voices...but...but...but...

No buts anymore. JFT96.

Rhubarb78 · 14/09/2012 11:28

bottle I know what you mean, all I felt that I did was sign that e petition but I always knew the truth and as you say, maybe thats what they are thanking us for. I havent read the whole thread (my 6 month old wont let me) but i hope to. I personally want to thank the families of the 96, they have fought for 23 years to clear the names of the fans and restore the reputation of the city. A family member of mine was there and has never gotten over it. To know that 96 people died and that some people think its your fault must be hard to live with, at least those people can now rest assured that it is there in black and white, it wasnt your fault.
Ann Williams said that lawyers told her she wouldnt get an inquest into her sons death because 'it would open a can of worms', the can is well and truly opened now, i hope she gets her inquest. JFT96

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold · 14/09/2012 16:18

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brian-reade-hillsborough-police-have-been-1323332

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MrsPinotGrigio · 14/09/2012 16:32

And still Norman Bettison is spouting shite! His self justifying 'apology' lacked any sincerity - he needs to resign as soon as possible. Sorry just been reading the Echo in Mums & his statement really angered me - horrible man is still trying to blame fans even after the report states otherwise.

LineRunner · 14/09/2012 16:34

Bettison's probably bricking it about his pension.

SammyTheSwedishSquirrel · 14/09/2012 16:46
Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold · 14/09/2012 17:09

Thanks for the link Sammy. i remember watching it on tv back when it was originally shown 16 years ago.
Im actually half expecting itv to give it a repeat showing but i would understand if they didnt so as not to upset the families further.
However it would also help to ram home the fact even more that there HAS to be prosecutions over this and those original inquest verdicts HAVE to be quashed. JFT96 and for the survivors and their familes and friends.

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SammyTheSwedishSquirrel · 14/09/2012 17:18

It'll also ram home the fact that we've known the truth for a long, long time but it has been denied. I'm watching it again now. Started crying as 14 year old Adam walked into the tunnel with his dad and haven't stopped since. :(

Darkesteyeswithflecksofgold · 14/09/2012 17:25

Sammy ((((hugs)))) x

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MarthasHarbour · 14/09/2012 17:53

I too remember watching that Jimmy McGovern film at the time. I also thought this week that the level of corruption is truly depressing but not surprising (depressing in itself)

I work in Manchester with footie fans of various teams. A spectacularly thick and single minded Man City fan offered an Everton fan his read copy of the Sun. Said Everton fan said he wouldnt wipe his arse with it. Man City fuckwit fan said 'what you talking about - it wasnt your team was it? you should be happy to read it!'

Seriously, that echoes bottleofbeers theory that some fuckwits think it is just a football issue. Myself (Newcastle Utd fan) and Everton fan both proceeded to tell him what an uneducated piece of shit he was (in so many words!)

This was months ago too, it is the ignorance which has always pissed me off.

JFT96

limitedperiodonly · 14/09/2012 17:55

That Brian Reade piece is really good.

this is a contemporary report from When Saturday Comes and spot on about the eventual findings

I was going to say uncanny but there's nothing uncanny in recognising the way football fans were and still are treated because they're the kind of people who don't matter.

LineRunner · 14/09/2012 18:15

It is becoming clear to me that Bettison appears prepared to say anything to keep his job. Now he is clarifying his clarifications.

Growlithe · 14/09/2012 18:19

Changing his statement. Ironic

limitedperiodonly · 14/09/2012 18:24

I don't think he can withstand this.

LineRunner · 14/09/2012 18:25

He is clinging on to his knighthood, his job and his pension with a fierce greed tenacity.

SuperB0F · 14/09/2012 18:33

This is a blog by a doctor who was at the match and saw the cover-up unfold. So many people knew the truth, but their voices were ignored and pushed aside.

LadyBeagleEyes · 14/09/2012 18:38

That's shocking BOF.
Like you say, so many people knew the truth but it took 23 years till it became official.
I can't imagine the frustration and anger the families have been feeling.

Growlithe · 14/09/2012 18:45

He was on BBC before the report came out on Wednesday BOF - talking about the police debrief in the gymnasium and the ambulance service debrief after.

I had a feeling the report was going to be bigger than we imagined when they had him on saying what he was saying.

BeyondTheLimitsOfAcceptability · 14/09/2012 20:25

I made it 42 mins into the itv programme without crying...
Then a police interviewer asked a man if his son was drunk, and he replied "i hope so, so he didnt know he was going to die"
and then I sobbed and sobbed
:(

BustersOfDoom · 14/09/2012 20:33

Thanks for posting that BOF. Absolutely disgusting but I'm not surprised.

I just hope that our Chief Cuntstable does the decent thing very soon and resigns. He isn't fit to be leading a police force. They - the decent officers I know we have - and we, the people of WY deserve better. And I hope those responsible face criminal charges. The cover up and smear campaign is absolutely unforgiveable. And all to save their own arses. Cowardly cunts!

Badvoc · 14/09/2012 20:45

Hell be gone by next week.
That's my prediction anyway.
Am desperately sad and angry and upset by all of this.
I remember watching the news and seeing people being carried away by the players on the advertising boards.
It was surreal...
The bravery of the families of the people who died is inspiring and humbling.
JFT96
YNWA

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