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Fucking Fucking Tories want to make me homeless

208 replies

BeingFluffy · 20/08/2012 22:49

Just watching some Tory cunt on Newsnight. I live in a London Borough (and have done all my life) which has a lot of ordinary people in social housing, but is very fashionable among the rich. Apparently the Housing Trust (which was set up to house local people like me in the 1960s) should stop "indulging" people like me and be forced sell off my home. Where the fuck are we supposed to go? They are born with silver spoons in their mouths and don't have the faintest fucking idea about ordinary people.

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yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 13:08

Well ReallyTired that's where you and I differ, because I would sort of like a life for everyone that's not just "tough shit".

Viviennemary · 22/08/2012 13:08

Why should luxury villas, yachts, private islands be only for the rich. What an insane argument.

thebestisyettocome · 22/08/2012 13:12

To be frank yellowraincoat I think it would better for all concerned if you kept your razorsharp wit and contempt for life outside London safely within the confines of your tax-payer subsidised flat in Londonopolis Smile

yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 13:14

What's with all the personal stuff thebest ? If you don't like my posting style then, well, then what? Shrug. Who cares? Ignore and move on.

yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 13:15

Oh and PS subsidised flat? I fucking wish. And I AM a tax payer. So your post makes zero sense.

thebestisyettocome · 22/08/2012 13:16
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msnaughty · 22/08/2012 13:21

i just dont think its black and white. if your offered a job r find work thats outside london. and its right for your family i can understand. and you have the support in the family for that then fine.

but in a case like mine i would be moving as a single parent, who has a child with mental health issues. if i was to move far away i know that it would lead to my dd doing something stupid.

Viviennemary · 22/08/2012 13:24

Your posts aren't making a lot of sense to me yellowraincoat. You say London is getting worse and worse so why are you staying there.

Ephiny · 22/08/2012 13:26

I don't recognise the relentlessly negative view of London some people describe on here.

We are not rich but had no difficulty buying a house on ordinary 'decent' salaries. No we could never have bought in Kensington or Chelsea or such an area, but then neither can most people.

We do know our neighbours (and get on well and help each other out), kids play out in the street, there's a sense of community (especially among the dog-owners!).

I don't waste my time feeling angry and envious that someone somewhere has more money than me or a bigger or nicer house, what's the point of that? There will always be someone better off.

Can't get outraged about this policy either. It's not about making anyone homeless, and I can see the logic of selling off (vacant) council properties in very expensive areas, especially if the profit is re-invested in housing elsewhere.

yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 13:29

viviennemary in terms of house price, it's getting worse. I told you why I'm staying here. My partner's job means we have to. Beyond that, I love London. I am gutted that it is becoming too expensive for anyone on a normal income.

msnaughty · 22/08/2012 13:30

it was the council that done away with the cheaper housing and encouraged private rent. so if people private rent whilst on low income its not really their fault. if councils had not done away with most of the social housing there would have been enough affordable housing.

bigkidsdidit · 22/08/2012 13:34

Yellow normally I agree with you but I rent a 4 bed double garage house with garden in Edinburgh for £900 a month Grin

Viviennemary · 22/08/2012 13:36

Could he not commute. I know it's not ideal. But a lot of people do travel quite a long way to work. Or find a job in another part of the country. Where you could afford to buy a house. Prices will continue to rise as long as the subsidies are in place. That's my opinion.

msnaughty · 22/08/2012 13:39

i dont know if this is just social housing or not. but there is going to be room tax for every extra/unused bedroom you have. there should not be tax. if the house it to big, the family should have to move to a smaller house so that a larger family can be housed. but its ok for them to have extra rooms they dont need. whilst a family are homeless.

yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 13:40

The point isn't really about me and my partner though is it?

The point is that you shouldn't have a situation where two people work full time in salaried jobs and still can't afford to even rent a decent place, let alone buy.

Beyond that, I don't know how often I can say that we can't really work in another part of the country, because of his job. And anyway, we don't WANT to. I'm not asking for handouts, I work full time. It is just clearly a ludicrous situation and demonising those who live in social housing or get benefits is not the solution.

telsa · 22/08/2012 14:05

Why are so many of you naturalising the market and saying ...oh well central London is simply expensive and not for the likes of us. My point earlier about Coin St or the Brunswick in Bloomsbury was that councils once decided to decide that it was a good thing to have mixed communities and so planned them and, oh my god, even paid for them, because that it meant having a city that is good. You lot who go along with the proposed policy are just bowing down before this thing called the. Market and accepting its rules, (which always serve to line the rich's pockets) rather than fighting for anything better

JaquelineHyde · 22/08/2012 14:33

Well said Telsa!

ReallyTired · 22/08/2012 14:51

" My point earlier about Coin St or the Brunswick in Bloomsbury was that councils once decided to decide that it was a good thing to have mixed communities and so planned them and, oh my god, even paid for them, because that it meant having a city that is good."

How you do decide which poor people are entitled to live in London. The waiting lists for social housing are desperate and many people wait years. Prehaps it is nice to have mixed communities, but its even nicer to have no one sleeping on the streets, in homeless hostals or grotty b and b.

A democracy decides how it spends it money. It reviews past spending decisions and decides whether it is right for the 21st century. Cameron et al may be in a coalition, but they are in governant and were voted by the UK.

theodorakis · 22/08/2012 15:00

They categorically stated throughout the day that they would ONLY sell off properties as they became vacant. Some people are actually homeless not living in Hammersmith so stop whining.

FrothyOM · 22/08/2012 15:10

I don't believe they will replace them.

I also think mixed communities are better for society than ghettos. They need to look at providing more affordable homes for people like yellowraincoat as well as more council homes.

Don't like this proposal at all.

yellowraincoat · 22/08/2012 15:11

They need to put some sort of cap on private rental prices. And introduce more council homes.

Of course, they won't do either of those as it's not their philosophy.

So ho hum.

limitedperiodonly · 22/08/2012 15:14

telsa too weary to argue but wanted to tell you I agree with everything you say, especially this bit...

let's just make life more miserable for the poor - and set the not quite so poor against them, by arguing ....'well I can't afford to live there, so I'd rather Lord and Lady Posh and Posh did'.

MardyFish · 22/08/2012 16:30

When they built social housing in the 19th and early 20th century it was done with a population a fraction of the current size, without significant movement around the country from other cities, and without unlimited immigration from countries like Poland as well as essentially unlimited immigration from families of the millions people in London with connections to developing countries in Africa, Asia, and the Caribbean.

Providing housing to a tens of thousands of Cockneys a century ago is hardly comparable with the modern task which is essentially to house millions of people from every country on earth.

The free market has the best solution, unpalatable though it might be for those without the cash to live there.

FrothyOM · 22/08/2012 16:46

I don't believe the free market does have the best solution.

Before council housing this country had terrible slums and overcrowding. The market has never provided decent housing that the poorest could afford.

And affordable housing is a country wide issue. Here in the south west we have long housing lists and people on the average local salary are struggling to buy homes.

flatpackhamster · 22/08/2012 17:03

FrothyOM

I don't believe the free market does have the best solution.

Then you haven't seen the amazing conditions created in Eastern Europe by the alternative.

Before council housing this country had terrible slums and overcrowding. The market has never provided decent housing that the poorest could afford.

Apart from interesting examples like Cadbury and the other philanthropists? Apart from the Almshouses built to house the poor and paid for by benefactors, which you can find in every village and town in the country?

And affordable housing is a country wide issue. Here in the south west we have long housing lists and people on the average local salary are struggling to buy homes.

That's because you've got heaps of space and nobody will build on it. Councils should open up your green space to development.