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Saddam Husain

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hmb · 14/12/2003 11:21

I've just heared the news that he has been captured, alive. DNA tests have been done and proven it is him, and Irquis are celibrating. And to be honest, so am I.

I don't believe in capital punishment, but I will not shed any tears over this one if the Irqaui people disagree with me.

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SHIREENSMOM · 14/12/2003 18:47

how do they no for sure that its really him cause ive seen all those lookalikes on the news

Hulababy · 14/12/2003 18:53

DNA tests have identified him - probably hair samples - saw them going through his hair on TV earlier.

hmb · 14/12/2003 18:54

They have tested a sample of his DNA against a sample that they knew came from him. Unless his look alike was his identical twin they could tell the difference. This is as close to 100% certain that anything gets.

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Twink · 14/12/2003 22:28

I'm happy he's been found but was it really necessary to parade him in front of the cameras for the swabs etc; the US were very quick to quote the Geneva convention when their troops were appearing in front of the cameras and I feel very strongly that consistency in approach will be crucial in the days to come.

popsycal · 14/12/2003 23:22

fair point twink
though i am sooo glad he has been caught
my cousin i serving iniraq so very close to home

M2T · 15/12/2003 08:59

Twink - They justified by saying that his continuing support in Iraq is based on the hope that he will return and take over. This was to show them that the "great man" is no more and, hopefully, deter them from there ongoing campaign to drive out the US and UK troops. And also to prove to the highly sceptical and frightened Iraqi people that he IS in there hands and is never coming back to terrorise them again.

I am SO happy that they got him. However, if they turn him over to Iraq for trial I really can't see him surviving much longer. If the police don't kill him, the people will..... and who would blame them for ripping him limb from limb??

Twink · 15/12/2003 11:05

It's one thing showing a shot of him in captivity to demonstrate to the Iraqui people that they are no longer at risk of him returning, quite another to show the mouth swabbing etc.

dadslib · 15/12/2003 11:48

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roscoe · 15/12/2003 11:56

Part of it was to show the people that even though SH was telling them all to fight until the bitter end, he didn't practise what he preached. Human rights legislation is all too often used to protect those who have no regard for the HR of anyone else.

lazyeye · 15/12/2003 11:58

Delighted he has been caputured.

Hate the American "We got him" attitude.

marialuisa · 15/12/2003 12:12

Anyone else truly bemused as to why he didn't just shoot himself? Let's be honest he's facing death anyway, plenty of U.S. politicians saying that a Tribunal in the Hague unsuitable as it would not impose the death penalty, so why not kill himself?

Hope that the coalition forces will now face up to the fact that Saddam loyalists are only a tiny part of the armed resistance to occupation of Iraq.

roscoe · 15/12/2003 12:17

I think he couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger. He was happy to shoot others but too cowardly to shoot himself.

M2T · 15/12/2003 12:27

Twink - I was merely pointing out how the Americans had tried to justify this shot. It was supposed to be hard hitting, as the extremists in support of Saddam need it put to them that way!

They needed to show that he had been submissive..... .rather than heroic in his capture.

....didn't say it was right..... just stating the facts.
Incidentally.... I DO think it was the best way to show the Iraqis. And I firmly believe it was done for the Iraqi people.

FairyMum · 15/12/2003 12:31

Lock Saddam away and then throw Bush in his Saddam's old hole and we can all be happy

Twinkie · 15/12/2003 12:32

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dadslib · 15/12/2003 12:51

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roscoe · 15/12/2003 13:09

Does anyone know if the US will still be paying out the huge reward they promised for the info leading to his capture?

suedonim · 15/12/2003 13:30

I read that the info was given by a relative of Saddam's who was already in custody. Presumably they won't be able to claim if they are themselves a criminal? Or maybe they will, who knows...the rules seem to be made up as they go along.

hmb · 15/12/2003 16:14

I have heared that they will not be paying the bounty on him, as the infrmation was given by someone else they had captured who is also facing charges.

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Twinkie · 16/12/2003 08:42

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lilibet · 16/12/2003 13:49

An open letter from Michael Moore (he of Bowling for Columbine) doing the rounds a t the moment - it makes an interesting point.

We Finally Got Our Frankenstein... and He Was In a Spider Hole! -- by Michael Moore
December 14, 2003

Thank God Saddam is finally back in American hands! He must have really missed us. Man, he sure looked bad! But, at least he got a free dental exam today. That's something most Americans can't get.

America used to like Saddam. We LOVED Saddam. We funded him. We armed him. We helped him gas Iranian troops.

But then he screwed up. He invaded the dictatorship of Kuwait and, in doing so, did the worst thing imaginable -- he threatened an even BETTER friend of ours: the dictatorship of Saudi Arabia, and its vast oil reserves. The Bushes and the Saudi royal family were and are close business partners, and Saddam, back in 1990, committed a royal blunder by getting a little too close to their wealthy holdings. Things went downhill for Saddam from there.

But it wasn't always that way. Saddam was our good friend and ally. We supported his regime. It wasn't the first time we had helped a murderer. We liked playing Dr. Frankenstein. We created a lot of monsters the Shah of Iran, Somoza of Nicaragua, Pinochet of Chile and then we expressed ignorance or shock when they ran amok and massacred people. We liked Saddam because he was willing to fight the Ayatollah. So we made sure that he got billions of dollars to purchase weapons. Weapons of mass destruction. That's right, he had them. We should know -- we gave them to him!

We allowed and encouraged American corporations to do business with Saddam in the 1980s. That's how he got chemical and biological agents so he could use them in chemical and biological weapons. Here's the list of some of the stuff we sent him (according to a 1994 U.S. Senate report):

  • Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.
  • Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.
  • Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord, and heart.
  • Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.
  • Clostridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.
  • Clostridium tetani, a highly toxigenic substance.

And here are some of the American corporations who helped to prop Saddam up by doing business with him: AT&T, Bechtel, Caterpillar, Dow Chemical, Dupont, Kodak, Hewlett-Packard, and IBM (for a full list of companies and descriptions of how they helped Saddam, go here).

We were so cozy with dear old Saddam that we decided to feed him satellite images so he could locate where the Iranian troops were. We pretty much knew how he would use the information, and sure enough, as soon as we sent him the spy photos, he gassed those troops. And we kept quiet. Because he was our friend, and the Iranians were the "enemy." A year after he first gassed the Iranians, we reestablished full diplomatic relations with him!

Later he gassed his own people, the Kurds. You would think that would force us to disassociate ourselves from him. Congress tried to impose economic sanctions on Saddam, but the Reagan White House quickly rejected that idea -- they wouldn't let anything derail their good buddy Saddam. We had a virtual love fest with this Frankenstein whom we (in part) created.

And, just like the mythical Frankenstein, Saddam eventually spun out of control. He would no longer do what he was told by his master. Saddam had to be caught. And now that he has been brought back from the wilderness, perhaps he will have something to say about his creators. Maybe we can learn something... interesting. Maybe Don Rumsfeld could smile and shake Saddam's hand again. Just like he did when he went to see him in 1983 (see the photo here).

Maybe we never would have been in the situation we're in if Rumsfeld, Bush, Sr., and company hadn't been so excited back in the 80s about their friendly monster in the desert.

Meanwhile, anybody know where the guy is who killed 3,000 people on 9/11? Our other Frankenstein?? Maybe he's in a mouse hole.

So many of our little monsters, so little time before the next election.

Stay strong, Democratic candidates. Quit sounding like a bunch of wusses. These bastards sent us to war on a lie, the killing will not stop, the Arab world hates us with a passion, and we will pay for this out of our pockets for years to come. Nothing that happened today (or in the past 9 months) has made us ONE BIT safer in our post-9/11 world. Saddam was never a threat to our national security.

Only our desire to play Dr. Frankenstein dooms us all.

Yours,

Michael Moore
[email protected]

www.michaelmoore.com

FairyMum · 16/12/2003 13:53

Very good!

dancingdoormat · 16/12/2003 13:55

Read in the paper yesterday it was Donal Rumsfield who gave support to Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war.
Hypocritical shits all of them.

dancingdoormat · 16/12/2003 13:55

sorry Donald.
oops

santafio2 · 16/12/2003 13:56

why am i not suprised?