What punishment do you think the British legal system would deem appropriate for someone who rapes a 5 year old?

[Mintyy]

I'm not going to link because I saw this in the Daily Mail. But, really, am truly horrified.

GreenCrops-he did HARM her, he put his penis in her mouth, surely it would hurt the child not to mention physcologicially damage her.
Fgs it is RAPE

Seeker I was one who said lock him up and throw away the key if you think that's distasteful that's your view but I'm biased as I was in the position of that child except if was full rape and he started on my sisters when he was 11/12 and me at 15/16 when I was 4 so I'm sorry if that view offends you but I don't give a shit I'm in the middle of the process of a prosecution now and he won't get what he deserves

Well firstly, the attorney general can get the sentence reviewed. If the sentence is "unduly lenient". It is not something that happens very often AFAIK and the bar for "unduly lenient" is a bit vague.

And no I don't think that it's terribly well known.

Plus when people say "presumably there will be an appeal" that's not generally what they mean. When people say "presumably there will be an appeal" they are talking about the criminal appealing against their sentence / conviction.

People talking about complaining to the attorney general they do not generally use that language, that I have seen.

Which is why I asked Seeker what she meant. I am not sure why you are answering for her, TBH.

The attorney General can be asked to review the sentence.

Greencrops your takking bullshit if you knew what mental damage that does you wouldn't say that,that poor little girl is not much more than a baby. Shame on you.

Apart from his decisions, it's his reasonings that I would disagree with. Stuff like 'it was an impulse' for this case, or 'you aren't a proper paedophile' for another one does imo put him in the category for re-training. His comments are supposed to be learning points and can be quoted as case law by other barristers at a later date. IN that regard he needs taking away and have some focus on the implications of what he has said.

Oh yes the poor girl could be scarred for life never trust anyone e and suffer nightmares for rest of her life! Yeah a much better outcome! and harming someone is more than physically marking someone. Would have been extremely upsetting for her! cutsand scratches heal ffs emotional scars don't

Greencrops-you do know that anal, vaginal & oral are all RAPE.
Forcing yourself onto a child is CHILD RAPE =peadophile.
If you think what he done isn't harmful you are one sick individual.

If this was your 5yo im sure you would think again before excusing him

I am not a 'rape apologist', this is a dreadful offence to have been committed on a young girl. When i started reading the thread I assumed he had maybe been given a suspended sentence...but after reading the article...He didn't just get a slap on the wrists...he got a 3 year order and a SOPO...all of which will place restrictions on him...his life won't be his own during that time. During this order he will be required to address his offending behaviour in the hopes that this can prevent future victims. He is a young lad that maybe they can make a difference with at this stage. Send him to Prison and he'll have the opportunity to mix with other sex offenders and may in fact make him more dangerous. I agree that the Judge has made some horrific judgements but without seeing all of the info on this case it's hard to judge for ourselves here. It is likely that other agencies who will be working with him will have recommended a community order which may be why he has taken this option. I don't think 'hang him' and 'castration' are realistic punishments for a young lad. Castration isn't a 'cure' either..doesn't get rid of the mental urges so is therefore of not much use?..would only serve to make some people feel better about punishments that are dished out!

SQ - I wasn't answering for her. I was clarifying the bit about the choice of appeal on either side, as there seemed to be a bit of confusion about who can appeal over what. Nothing more.

No one is 'born' a bastard - I'm aghast at that frankly.

He is not a paedophile, he is a 14 year old child!!!! Who has been exposed to stuff he shouldn't.

ADULTS understand the consequences of watching hard core pornography - to come on and say a child is able to discriminate shows a distinct lack of empathy and knowledge of child development.

Anyone calling this child a 'pedophile' is a slavering, right wing, daily mail reading, lunatic.

I hope BOTH of those children get the help they need.

If he'd physically harmed her it would have been part of the prosecution case. I was responding to a poster who had said that People get more for crimes that physically don't harm anyone

And I wasn't saying that mental damage is less damaging than physical damage.

The pitchforks are really out tonight aren't they ; this is why we have a judiciary and not lynchmobs.

As I sais Greencrops I'm biased in these cases

Fairy-i don't read the Daily Mail, i haven't a clue what 'right' 'wing' means & i don't 'do' politics but i do believe a 14yo sexually attracted to a 5yo is a peadophile as i liked boys my own age at 14.
Whether he watched porn or not would not excuse anything he did.

'Lynchmobs' yes of course

laurie really what are you talking about. of course 14yo know that they should not act out sexual fantasies on small children

and actually many adults do not understand the consequences of watching hard core pornography. at a societal level we don't understand them either.

we will find out in the fullness of time, though.

If anyone on this thread has met a juvenile sex offender, you'll prob. have some attachment to this:
They are characterised by:

• being totally messed up about sexual boundaries
• having learning deficits
• socially isolated,
• esp no friends, and friends serve to moderate behaviours
• v poor educational attainment
• will have been exposed to messed up sexual boundaries by their parents/guardians
• will have been in care (esp childrens' homes where we warehouse children society doesn't want.)
• will have experience of sexual abuse themselves.

I have no idea how many of those characteristics this boy has (other than v poor parental supervision and being v socially isolated), but locking him up for decades simply makes a neat problem-solving exercise for society, and does absolutely nothing to improve the position of the victim.

you are making a lot of assumptions about this boy pan

no I'm not SQ - I said that list characterises the sexual and societal development of juvenile sex offenders. No assumptions about him at all.

I am aghast that some people on this thread are trying to excuse and normalise the attack on this child.

If she had been attacked with a hammer or an axe would the excuses have been any different?

If anybody was, you would be right to be aghast. But they aren't.

Exposing a 14 year old to pornography IS sexual abuse. This child has been abused.

And actually no, 14 year olds have much poorer impulse control than adults - it's why we call them children.

The boy needs to be punished for what he did to the girl.

He is a lot older than her.

If his victim was 13 then the attack on her would have been horrific.

But this little girl was 5 years old ... please have a think about that.

He needs a HUGE amount of intervention and whilst that is going on he needs to be in custody.

Laurie yes it is one of the catagories of sexual abuse along with lots of others but did his parents show him it or did he access it himself if the former its classified abuse but not the latter

How do you know he is socially isolated?
How do you know parental supervision was poor - he may have been accessing it elsewhere / on a phone / at a friends house / bypassed the security
How do you know he feels ashamed?
How do you know his remorse is genuine?
How do you know he has had to change schools?
etc