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boy dies after calling 999 from ward

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ohdobuckup · 03/07/2012 19:24

I just cannot believe this appalling story, can't link but it was in most papers and headlined in Daily Mail.

Inquest being held into the case of a young man who appears to have suffered severe neglect at Tooting hospital, with 'lazy' nurses and indifferent doctors allowing him to die of thirst because he was confused following major operation.The poor sod even dialled 999 to get help, police arrived but were ushered off the ward

How the fuck has nursing become such a corrupted profession?
I am an ex-nurse, mostly Mental Health, and not that ancient either, and whilst not claiming any perfection on my part, and have had lapses of judgement and bad days too, I am truly appalled by this one.

Any other nurses/exes seen this?

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funnyperson · 05/07/2012 15:45

smellslikacatspee I agree the staff nurses no longer accompany doctors on their rounds and this makes a huge difference. It is a metter of professionalism but who is the responsible professional? The ward sister, the staff nurse, the healthcare assistant, the junior doctor, the consultant, the manager? Who exactly? Nursing budgets, staffing ratios and direct patient care have been cut and cut and cut.

funnyperson · 05/07/2012 15:46

...sorry: matter...

pumpkinsweetie · 05/07/2012 15:56

Sadpoor boy, and family, what an avoidable death.
Tragic....just tragic, the news lately is just so upsetting, so many mistakes and so many people being let off for serious crimes.
I hope the family get answers and that the hospital learn not to repeat such an awful mistake that costs lifesSad

MOSagain · 05/07/2012 16:02

very very sad.
A friend of mine who was in his late 20's died a few years ago in our local hospital. He'd had crohns disease for years and was admitted with stomach pains and died a few days later, probably in agony and tests later showed he'd had a bowel obstruction. He was profoundly deaf and I often wonder whether he was ignored due to his disability Sad

grovel · 05/07/2012 17:25

And still the NHS is politically sacrosanct. I just don't get it. I'd rather be ill in just about any other European country.

I'd like to rip the NHS up and start again. It is not fit for purpose.

grovel · 05/07/2012 17:28

Let me qualify my last post. The NHS is letting down patients and the majority of people who work in it.

cory · 05/07/2012 17:54

Our local hospital is very good, but I have noticed that it is definitely less clean since the cleaning has been contracted out on tender. So that is one problem that has not been solved by privatisation- in fact, I never noticed there was a problem before privatisation.

grovel · 05/07/2012 18:18

cory, your hospital is getting dirtier because "Cleaning" is now a line item on a Profit and Loss Account. "Cleanlieness" used to be a medical issue.

BettySuarez · 05/07/2012 18:31

What a terrible terrible story Sad

I would like to know from any nurses who are mumsnetters whether it is relatively easy to report a colleague if you have concerns about their ability or conduct.

I am an ex nurse and remember getting into a lot of trouble for whistle-blowing (fellow nurse suspected of molesting patients).

Does this culture still exist?

Greatauntirene · 05/07/2012 18:39

You choose your career at 17/18 years old. You are hardly the same starry eyed individual 30 years later and that is who is in nursing. Selfish old harridans who can't leave because they need the money.

It is just terrible that bad nurses (like bad bankers) can't be sacked. Why, why, why not?

Oblomov · 05/07/2012 18:43

Sadly, I am not surprised. There are 100's of these kind of stories.
I have had some terrrible treatment in hospital.
My fil died , nurses and doctors insisting that he was fine and it eventually turned out he hadn't had his teeth in ,and despite written requests, by my sil, who is a nurse, about his weight loss, nothing was ever done.
Nothing will ever come of this. Even if you make a complaint. NOTHING CHANGES. EVER.

grovel · 05/07/2012 18:51

Greatauntirene, you are so right. My goddaughter is about to start nursing. She's got a good degree (in English) from a top university. She's about to start 2 years of training to be a nurse at King's in London. At university she volunteered at Marie Curie. She wants to help the ill. She's just lovely - and also practical. After seeing the nursing my MIL got in the NHS, I'm terrified she'll be put off by the attitudes of some of the older nurses. She'll probably fight back and get fired.

queenofthepirates · 05/07/2012 18:53

Jeez, beggars belief.

I remember when I had my daughter, the nurse told me not to breastfeed until the breast feeding counsellor arrived. Thankfully I eventually ignored her because said BFC never came round. Luckily we managed to feed without any problems, the greedy little pudding. I thank my lucky stars.

all4u · 05/07/2012 19:13

I was in hospital unconscious for four days after falling off my horse and had no memory when I came to - I literally forgot in a second as though the recording side was switched off! I also had ataxia and could not use my left hand Confused
My husband and Mum ( a former nurse) visited me every day in ITU and were so frustrated when they realised that food was brought and left un cut up next to me where I promptly forgot about it! I lost a stone in weight and was only 7 1/2st when I went in. If my family had not been so much in attendance and so switched on I would have easily been in a bad way - it simply did not seem to occur to them to tune in to basic human needs. My Mum said that many seem to have no ability to imagine what it is like for others or perhaps are too dim - anyway she was adament that nurses in the 1960s were totally different (sister saw to that).

Greatauntirene · 05/07/2012 20:08

I should say that there are some great nurses who chase their tail all day just trying to keep up but why bad nurses can't be sacked is beyond me.

Rindercella · 05/07/2012 22:54

I was so sorry to hear of this young man's death, and about the complete lack of care he received from the 'caring' profession. Sadly I am not surprised. This thread alone tells many shocking and sad stories of patients receiving incredibly poor treatment. It makes me so bloody angry.

Of course all nurses are not bad, but one thing I noticed when DH was in hospital was that the majority of nursing staff we had contact with just did not listen. There were so many times, when DH was no longer able to move himself, that nurses would just come in and barge his broken and painful body about, ignoring his cries for help and causing him further agony...as if the cancer eating away at his body was not enough.

There was the time that DH had just had a catheter fitted. A few minutes later he was screeching with pain. I had never seen that amount of pain displayed by anyone before and I hope I never have to again. I pressed the buzzer and ran to get a nurse. One arrived a minute later. Didn't look at DH (or me), didn't ask what the problem was, didn't listen to what we were saying. He just looked at the chart, muttered something about morphine and buggered off. DH obviously was still in absolute agony. I ran and got another nurse who did listen. Took one look at the catheter and realised it hadn't been fitted properly. Fixed it and immediately you could see the pain disappear. Old twatface idiot nurse sauntered back 15 minutes later with a shot of fucking morphine. DH didn't need morphine: he needed to pee.

After a while of being on the oncology ward (you'd think the clue to the nursing staff would be there, and that their patients were pretty fucking sick and needed to be treated with care, dignity and respect), DH refused to stay there. We would be kicked out at midnight, leaving him tearful and scared - a 6'2" strong, dignified man, scared of what the nurses might, or might not (neglect of basic needs was par for the course), do to him. When he had to go back in to have a blood transfusion, he insisted on being admitted privately. The staff on the private ward were no fucking better, charging about like bulls in china shops, not listening, not caring, not taking any responsibility for any of their actions (actually some of them appeared terrified of doing anything). At least though there I could stay with DH overnight, so that I could insist that he at least received a level of care.

Why would anyone do this? Whatever their profession? Regardless of quotas and targets and budget cuts/rises? Why wouldn't one human being, on seeing another human being in pain and distress, go and help that person? To look them in the eye and ask them what was wrong? What they needed? I just don't get it.

I could write so much more about some of the treatment DH received during his last month or two, but I want to respect his memory. Also, I have blocked many things from my memory as they are just too awful to think about.

Thank God for organisations like Macmillan and for hospices. At the hospice DH was at, every single member of staff treated him as a person, whose life was still valued even though it was going to end far, far too soon.

friendlymum67 · 05/07/2012 23:25

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it took just over 2 years to get our case heard by the Nursing & Midwifery Council! They were extremely difficult to deal with, to the point of incompetence and we were very frustrated with the time it took - but we got the result we wanted (she was struck off). We found involving the media help highlight our story and also gave us the strength to carry on 'fighting'.

I totally appreciate that it is very hard to take on a complaint, especially when all you really want to do is forget about the distress/anger etc. In our case tho, we felt so strongly about the nurse failing my dad and contributing to his unexpected, traumatic death, that we wanted justice and to ensure that this nurse was punished.

It was a very long and emotionally fraught struggle, but for us it did give us an element of closure.

I feel for every one of you who have endured horrific situations in hospital and it makes me so angry that these so called professionals get away with it, time and time again!

edam · 05/07/2012 23:26

Mrjudgypants - perhaps you need to go and discuss your figures with David Nicholson, the chief executive of the NHS, who is cutting budgets by £20bn over four years. Mr Nicholson is quite open about this within the NHS, although his political masters are not always quite so clear about it when talking to the public.

Whistleblowers do not survive long in the NHS. If you are a chief executive, you may get out with a pay-off but only by signing an (illegal but still enforced, miraculously) gagging clause that prevents you telling anyone about the concerns you raised. Not your MP. Not the GMC. Not the CQC. Not anyone. If you are more lowly, say, a student nurse, you'll be subject to vindictive and clearly malicious and made up allegations that will get you chucked off your course (the kind of allegations that are documented only after you've made a complaint about some wrongdoing...). Even if you are senior consultant, your career can be over.

My sister's a nurse. One of the very few who is prepared to stand up for what's right. She cried when she read about the case of Kane Gorny.

BettySuarez · 05/07/2012 23:38

I am very sorry to hear about your DH rindercella Sad

Bossybritches22 · 05/07/2012 23:46

As an old fashioned SRN this makes me weep.

MOSagain · 06/07/2012 07:58

all4u a similar thing happened to me following spinal surgery. Clearly I was unable to sit up, or indeed move very much at all and I kept having meals dumped on the table next to me and there were no staff available to help me to eat so I basically didn't eat. I appreciate that medical emergencies must come first but I was a long way from home and my family were not able to visit often enough to help.
On one occasion I was feeling very very sick the night after my surgery and I was calling for help for ages. The call buttons had been disconnected, apparently because the staff were fed up with some elderly patients who kept buzzing the whole night through. I ended up being sick and as I was flat on my back and couldn't turn or roll I was sick all over myself. When a nurse eventually came she shouted at me and it was another 12 hours before one of them came to wash me. To this day I have a fear of hospitals

BettySuarez · 06/07/2012 08:08

I was one of the last nurses to do the traditional style of training before the diploma courses kicked in and this thread has got to be one of the saddest Sad

How on earth can this be allowed to happen?

cory · 06/07/2012 08:27

grovel Thu 05-Jul-12 18:18:33
"cory, your hospital is getting dirtier because "Cleaning" is now a line item on a Profit and Loss Account. "Cleanlieness" used to be a medical issue"

I can well believe it Angry

But is there any reason to believe that would be different after privatisation? Surely private companies are also interested in profit and loss?

poorbuthappy · 06/07/2012 08:27

Somehow being busy means that you can act like a fucking bitch and do things which result in people dying.
Love to see the memo on that one.

There is no excuse. People aren't complaining that the nurses don't have time and that there aren't enough of them. They are complaining about attitude, and a lack of compassion.
Oh and if we complain and make a fuss and then leave out loved ones in their hands do you wonder how they are treated then?

T2mum · 06/07/2012 08:49

My darling mum took 2 weeks to die from dehydration and neglect in an NHS hospital.

We begged for her to be admitted to the hospice, where there were plenty of beds. They refused, saying she didn't need that level of care.

She was in agony from fractures following a fall. She couldn't feed herself, meals and drinks were left out of reach.

The patients in the beds nearby had to get out and leave the ward because they were so upset by her cries of pain whenever the "nurses" moved her.

We tried and tried to get proper care for her. The staff were downright vindictive and nasty. Just because she was elderly.