Private schools have lost their moral purpose - says head of Wellington

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"Leadership from the independent sector has been sadly lacking and it has failed to provide an inspiring moral vision for us in the 21st century."

I wonder if this will lead the Charities Commission to rethink their stance re charitable status.

Too many straw men to count in that post, I'm afraid!

That's right, flatpackhamster, indulge in windy metaphor and name-call if you can't engage with the arguments.

Sitting here listening through the wall to the next door's family - lots of hysterical screaming from 3 DC ranging from 2 to 12 , mummy's voice coming the strongest over the top of her DC's , each sentence containing at least 3 variations of fuck .
DC are all very talented and can use up to 5 in each sentence.
Lovely. There is also couple of grown-up daughters with couple of DC of their own DC with similar talents visiting.
Their large garden is full of outdoor toys including mini motorbikes, climbing frames, trampolines which would add up to hmm few £K I'd say.However DC seemed to prefer to climb on the fence between our gardens and shout some unprintable greetings to us. Large expensive car parked outside making my life a misery every time I try to pull my 12 year old automobil out in the morning to go to work cheered by the morning fng from mother and her lovely brood.
She is seeing the older ones off and finally can enjoy that fag having told her 2 year old to fng f*k off.
That make me feel so good knowing that my taxes are well spent.
On the positive side my own DS in still on his way back from his expensive school
where he played in the concert, so he will be too tired to care.
I cant afford anywhere near his school fees , he is on generous scholarship.
Do I feel like morally wrong? No. Would I let my DS to sit in the same classroom as next doors? No. Would you? And if yes - WHY?

How are your taxes being "well-spent", pianomama? I take it you're being sarcastic.

Well, lets see. Nasty uncharitable school and my taxed ernings are paying for my Ds education. So he is not taking it out of the pot. It warms my heart to think that instead of money being used to educate my Ds it might help to keep next door mummy in fags and Adidses..

Yes, I would, and I do, and it's fine.

Elaborate much, pianomama?

I still don't see how your taxes have anything to do with your next door neighbour's smoking. Presumably she's paying for them out of her/DH/DPs taxed earnings.

I do sort of see why they cheer when you leave though. 'nasty uncharitable': that was the school you were talking about, right?

Of cause it is fine, thats the beauty of democratic society.We are all different.But we all have a role in whats going on. Some give. Some take.Some prefer their DC to learn Latin and play music instead of how many f words you can fit in one sentence.

No, I dont think unemployment benefits are taxed.

Yes, it really is that binary. I think I'd pay not to have my children inculcated with that attitude, but luckily it is free not to be a snobbish judgmental ignorant arsehole.

You're not doing yourself, or your argument, if there is one in there, any favours, pianomama.

Who "gives"? You? If so, what?

Who "takes"? Next door? If so, what?

:)

You've given me nothing more than I, and my daughter who has just finished her Latin gcse in year ten, have given you. And I take nothing from you that y don't take from me. Your attitude is ugly, bitter, and thoroughly unpleasant.

Ah, the drip feed post. I thought as much.

Well, if your neighbour is on unemployment benefits, then don't you have to have worked to get them? And paid tax? I'm no longer up to speed on theses things. Clearly you know far more about her financial concerns than I'd have thought considering her communication methods. So she's a taker because she's on benefits.

And you, by implication are giver because...

Moonbells, I don't think there is anything wrong with any of what you mentioned. I'm not sure if you misunderstood me, but I fully support private schools (despite not being able to afford them)

She's freed up a place at the scum school, I think is her point, echt.

Hmm. Good point, TOSN, I mean vis a vis the point pianomama appears to be making. As a general rule I yawn when pro-private schoolers wheel out this argument to support their choices.

Should I send her a thank you card?

Yawn away, I think that's all it was...

Yes, thank you card would do nicely.

You can address it to the snobbish judgmental ignorant arsehole with ugly, bitter, and thoroughly unpleasant attitude.

In fact TOSN - you are making me blush. Never had so many compliments in one sentence.

You are mistaken about 1 thing though. Sending your child to learn to read and write together with your next door's is not always a good option. Especially in my case. A child of a snobbish ignorant arsehole would not last there 10 minutes.

Him being there would not benefit anyone. Lowering your own standards for the greater good of others has been tried before in China, Russia (in fact they didn't have silly discussions about it, they just killed their aristocracy and the majority of well educated classes together with their DC ). Did not do them any good.

You just have no idea what you are preaching with such passion.

I'm not sure anyone was arguing with your right to educate your child as you wish, pianomama, it was your bizarre assumptions about the use of your taxes, who "gives" and "takes" in society based, seemingly on a person who smokes, swears and draws benefits, which have attracted attention.

piano - was not quite that simple, in Russia (I presume you mean Soviet Union), I mean. It was not aristocracy (kulaks often simply had a few extra hectars they had inherited, and had perhaps one farm worker they hired), they were not killed (some, yes, most, deported and otherwise made miserable), but yes, they did offer a universal free education. In fact, it is similar to the education offered by the Scandinavian countries, countries that do well in most assessments of longevity, quality of life, education (yes, including in the PISA results which Abitwobbly seems to think is some sort of UK phenomenon).
I really do not understand how anyone can think all state school parents are like those fag-fuck-parents some of you describe.

"Leadership from the independent sector has been sadly lacking and it has failed to provide an inspiring moral vision for us in the 21st century."

Did anybody require leadership and a moral vision from the independent sector?

The independent sector covers very academic schools, schools where you are paying for the privilege of wearing a boater, religious schools, SEN schools, alternative schools, schools where parents pay what they can afford and schools where you need to take out a second mortgage to buy the uniform.

I think you could tighten up the requirements to achieve charitable status and award it on a school by school basis, but I wouldn't include 'moral vision for the 21st century' as one of my criteria.