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Desperate jobseeker sets himself alight outside Selly Oak Job Centre.

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carernotasaint · 29/06/2012 14:26

www.birminghammail.net/news/top-stories/2012/06/29/desperate-jobseeker-sets-himself-alight-outside-selly-oak-jobcentre-97319-31284847/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#.T-2V_LFgo31.twitter

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veritythebrave · 29/06/2012 14:38

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AnyoneForTennis · 29/06/2012 14:38

So now he has made himself unemployable for the immediate future..

veritythebrave · 29/06/2012 14:44

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cormsilky · 29/06/2012 14:46

poor man Sad

FrothyOM · 29/06/2012 14:46

Poor man, he must be suffereng from severe depression to do something like that. I send him my best wishes.

FrothyOM · 29/06/2012 14:47

suffering

HubrisPolice · 29/06/2012 14:48
Sad

I've thought of the identical thing myself. Right down to how to get properly alight before anyone can get near. And the timing of the overdose I'd need to take so I didn't survive horribly burnt for a week or two.

When it's been made clear to you by the media - and plenty of people on MN - that you are not just surplus to requirements but morally deserving of destitution, why would you wait and starve slowly?

Ironically, people actually committing benefit fraud would probably be happy to commit shoplifting and other crimes to support themselves. It's the honest and the vulnerable who will die.

edam · 29/06/2012 15:27

poor man

amillionyears · 29/06/2012 15:33

HubrisPolice Sad
How are you now?
Do you have a job and/or enough money?

HubrisPolice · 29/06/2012 15:57

amillionyears, thank you so much for asking. I'll be OK, as my wider family have promised to support me.

Which is just as well because a few months ago I was declared Fit to Work and not eligible for Incapacity Benefit. The DWP took two weeks to do this, from date of ATOS medical, and worked Saturday to make sure my benefit was stopped as soon as possible.

ATOS almost immediately set their own medical aside as not fit for purpose, but the DWP (who I and ATOS informed immediately) took three months to restore my benefit.

If I hadn't had family and savings, I have no idea what I would have done.

Well actually I do.

I haven't decided what will happen if my condition worsens. These are very, very difficult questions at the moment for people who have no ability to become "economically active". And while part of my head knows that I actually contribute the unmeasured stuff to our society and that the UK is among the worlds richest countries, the other part believes the current rhetoric that unless we're "pulling our weight" there's no room for us in poor austere, belt-tightening UK. It's not a great place mentally to be...

HubrisPolice · 29/06/2012 15:59

Sorry, I'm terrified of mixing up my name change and outing myself. Please excuse me if I post sparsely on this thread.

amillionyears · 29/06/2012 17:27

I am shocked they did it all so quickly.2 weeks is ridiculous to expect people to adapt to financial changes.And then it took 3 months to restore the benifits,perhaps the office is overwhelmed.
Glad you had family and savings.They are getting to be more important than ever nowadays.
Good luck to you and your family.
And if you get in trouble again,and heres hoping you dont,please come on here or speak to someone in real life who might be able to help.Take care.x

veritythebrave · 29/06/2012 17:39

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amillionyears · 29/06/2012 17:57

Can I ask what is probably a very ignorant question please.Are the GPs involved in these medical assessments?Or are they all done "independently" .

veritythebrave · 29/06/2012 18:08

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amillionyears · 29/06/2012 18:18

Thats awful.And incompetent.And Sad.And frightening.
I dont read many newspaper articles.Do you think these cases are rare,or being repeated across the country.

BumgrapesofWrath · 29/06/2012 18:20

Same with my dad. Taken off ESA and declared fit for work. He has very severe mental health problems (delusions, episodes, anxiety), and struggles to leave the house.

He paid into this country's tax system from the age of 15 until the age of 52 (when he had his first episode). He is now entitled to ZERO money (as he's been off work more than 12 months).

My mum is struggling to support the two of them on her supermarket wages. I worry about them so much...

veritythebrave · 29/06/2012 18:22

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SerialKipper · 29/06/2012 18:39

In excess of 40% of decisions by ATOS, the medical assessment company, are being overturned at appeal.

So it seems likely this is being repeated across the country. And there's certainly no shortage of individual stories in the papers (or on MN) such as the Mullins'.

A specific wrinkle is there is a gap between the threshold at which people cease to be eligible for JSA (able to work iiuc 40 hours a week in any job for which they may be qualified), and the threshold at which they become eligible for ESA (points based on being unable to do specific activities like walk 200 m, microwave a meal, etc).

To give an idea of recent changes, the old incapacity test awarded a gradient of points for being unable to go up stairs at all, being able to go up two steps, able to go up sideways, able to go up by resting halfway, etc.

The new test only recognises being unable to go up two steps. Anything else scores nul points. So a person who can do stairs slowly and only a few times a day will be scored the same as someone with no difficulties. They will be told to apply for JSA and then won't be eligible - or will go onto JSA only to be offered a job carrying boxes up and down stairs and have their JSA cut for refusing it.

This isn't a casual oversight. Someone sat down and thought about changing the existing test, and decided to do it.

FrothyOM · 29/06/2012 19:54

Labour, the Tories and Atos should all hang their heads in shame.

MrsApplepants · 29/06/2012 20:44

Shocking, just shocking. Wishing those who are appealing against these crazy decisions every success

carernotasaint · 29/06/2012 22:03

Verity and Hubris im sorry for what you and your family members are going through. Im sorry if me linking the article has upset anyone.
Hubris i know what you mean about the media and some people on MN.
Even some of the womens weeklies have taken a very nasty right wing view in recent months.
I was watching Question Time last night and in the same week of the NatWest/RBS Ulster fiasco and the Barclays scandal they STILL found time to do a whole section demonizing people on benefits and the NatWest/RBS/Ulster banks fisaco didnt even get mentioned AT ALL!

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carernotasaint · 30/06/2012 00:23

Apparently it was because of one of these "medicals"http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/29/man-on-fire-birmingham-job-centre

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carernotasaint · 30/06/2012 00:23

www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/29/man-on-fire-birmingham-job-centre

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