The Conservatives

[MammaBrussels]

I cannot believe someone, even someone in the Conservative Party, would say this.

How can anyone support them?

NovackNGood yes of course i am aware. but what I said still stands

Yes, but the phrase itself is racist. The thing in the situation that buggers everything up and shouldn't be there, right? So it kind of suggests a certain mindset towards that 'thing', doesn't it?

2shoes How do you conclude that when all the evidence is to the contrary?

you mean the cuts to DLA and all the other cuts that target the disabled.

"a figure of speech that is no doubt common amongst his peers "

Wow
Either guessing and potentially doing a load of old geezers a huge disservice (HA!) or speaking from a position of knowledge and giving yet another reason to despise right-wing old buffers.

They are not cutting anything from the genuine disabled. FACT

MammaBrussels

I would say not at all. If I were trying to change your views on censorship I might be upset by that.

So, do you think that having my posts censored was a success then? You haven't changed my view, and you've not improved the thread in any measurable way by having my posts removed. All people have to go on now is your and my counterclaims about the deleted posts.

Does it not make sense to leave the 'terrible offence' visible so that others can observe how evil I am for writing out the 'terrible, terrible word' in full? Then we could all bask in the glory of your moral superiority.

Do you think that by using offensive and racist language you have convinced anyone that you have a rational or moderate view?

Unfortunately, since you decided that the combined intellect of Mumsnet was incapable of viewing a 'bad word' without immediately becoming members of the BNP, most people who read this thread will never know. They will be able to tell that you've decided that anyone who disagrees with you is a racist. There's an excellent word for people who are intolerant of the views of others and convinced of the infallibility of their worldview.

I have to say I'm more than a little surprised to find that people are willing to defend the use of one of the most offensive words in the English language but hey each to their own.

I haven't seen anyone 'defend' its use. What I have seen is you roll up, bellow at us all about how evil all Tories are because one councillor used an outdated phrase, and then persistently misunderstand and misinterpret every single valid argument made to you.

TheOriginalSteamingNit, that is not what it means. It is on wikipedia,

But of course it is offensive and you would have had to lived under a rock not to know that, and it is unacceptable for anyone in public office to think it is OK to use it.

Yes it is what it means! Wikipedia cites the following: some fact of considerable importance that is not disclosed ? something suspicious or wrong.

it is not something "that buggers everything up", it is something hidden.

And when it's found, it's all cool?

Anyway this is silly nit-picking - it means something concealed which shouldn't be there, and the fact that it is there makes things more complicated or problematic.

It's got nothing to do with buggering up, it is something concealed.

Sorry, I thought, when you were asking what it was when you said "right?"
That's why I mentioned that it is on wikipedia.

Yes, Claig, it's concealed, and when you find it, things are more complicated than you had previously thought. Or it can be the 'fly in the ointment' - the one thing that stands in the way of everything being ok.

However, you acknowledge that it is offensive and shouldn't have been said, so this seems a bit silly. I thought you'd be on here saying that it was good that the Tories were upholding a fine Bullingdon tradition like the Daily Mail would love, and global warming is a myth....

Global warming is a myth, but offensive statements have no place in society and the Daily Mail does not support them either. There are offensive Tories and offensive Labour people, there are offensive people, but not all Tories and all Labour people are offensive. It is a minority.

'I thought you'd be on here saying that it was good that the Tories were upholding a fine Bullingdon tradition like the Daily Mail would love'

and some might consider that offensive, but I know you didn't mean it in that way.

The Conservatives are much less abusive than Labour although as said above it will be a minority of all groups who are abusive at all. Most respect each other. Some silly people think either the left or right have a monopoly on being caring but they are wrong. And of course no one has been as helpful to others as the Conservative party. You don't help people by nanny state supporting them for life in idleness.

Claig - tongue in cheek emoticon was intended....

TheOriginalSteamingNit

However, you acknowledge that it is offensive and shouldn't have been said, so this seems a bit silly. I thought you'd be on here saying that it was good that the Tories were upholding a fine Bullingdon tradition like the Daily Mail would love, and global warming is a myth....

The argument was never about whether it was appropriate language, it was about whether or not inappropriate views were the sole preserve of the Conservative Party.

We then moved on to OP's double standards, because according to OP it's OK to racially abuse and stereotype when you're black, because that isn't real racism.

I'm not interested in the conversation about who deleted what, I'm afraid.

You haven't changed my view
I don't care. If you don't understand why using that word is unacceptable try what crazynanna suggested and see how long you last.

Unfortunately, since you decided that the combined intellect of Mumsnet was incapable of viewing a 'bad word' without immediately becoming members of the BNP
The post was deleted because you used racist language which contravenes Mumsnet talk guidelines. Accept it.

There's an excellent word for people who are intolerant of the views of others and convinced of the infallibility of their worldview
How dare you call me a bigot for having a racist post deleted.

Misunderstand and misinterpret every single valid argument made to you

Really? Aside from first point you made about Diane Abbott you haven't made any valid arguments.

You think it is acceptable to use the N word I do not. You have the audacity to complain that your post was deleted because you used racist language. Accept it and grow up.

OK to racially abuse and stereotype when you're black, because that isn't real racism
My words:
I don't think Diane Abbot is forever denigrating white people. It's much more subtle than that, when she talks about the racism she's witnessed/ experienced she's accused of racism herself. If you talked about sexism in terms of men's oppression of women you'd be discussing sexism you'd witnesses while being sexist yourself IYSWIM.

NovackNGood Fri 08-Jun-12 16:41:32
They are not cutting anything from the genuine disabled. FACT

you are so wrong, I can't even be bothered to tell you how much. just go and look in the sn topic and do your homework.