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Benefit hatred is out of control.

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carernotasaint · 17/05/2012 23:36

www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/owen-jones-hatred-of-those-on-benefits-is-dangerously-out-of-control-7763793.html

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carernotasaint · 19/05/2012 22:12

So glad im not the only one who thinks that thread is suss. The timing is pretty suspicious too especially in regards to what we have discussed on here. My DH is on MIDDLE rate and had to be seen by a DWP doctor.

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AmberLeaf · 19/05/2012 22:13

Yes I thought it odd too.

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carernotasaint · 19/05/2012 22:17

Oh beg pardon. DH is on high rate mobility and LOWER rate care. But we even had the DWP doctor come out for the lower rate care so theres no way they would give someone higher rate and not check.

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2shoesbrightonqueen · 19/05/2012 22:24

the government have targeted the disabled and made them apear to be scroungers. in reality DLA is not an out of work benefit, taking it away from disabled people will not cure them, just force them into poverty.
they refuse to look at the bigger picture and think about how many people will end up in residential care because of these cuts.
there is plenty of hatred for disabled people. I have seen it on mn and in rl.

BoffinMum · 19/05/2012 22:39

Glitter, what field did you work in before the children's needs took over your life?

Glitterknickaz · 19/05/2012 22:43

Before I had kids I dabbled in admin, export etc. My immediate job before having kids was as a PA to a man who had 3 companies, effectively running those companies in his absence.

It was a lot of fun and involved foreign travel, but wasn't appropriate when I had kids. Since having them I have worked off and on on checkouts etc. Completely unable to do that now.

BoffinMum · 19/05/2012 23:05

Interesting work, that.

I have found this link www.familyfund.org.uk/ - have you had dealings with these people.

Glitterknickaz · 19/05/2012 23:10

yes and they are amazing, thanks to them we have flooring in our new house and the ability to go on holiday as they funded us a tent x

The work was interesting, fabulous. The companies were so diverse one moment I'd be organising an event, the next doing payroll... then jumping on a ferry.... loved it.

Don't regret the kids for a second, mind. Despite everything they're still the best thing that ever happened to me. The worries about money aren't their fault.

BoffinMum · 19/05/2012 23:12

I know you've had PND and are knackered, but if we help you, do you think you might have it in you to set up something like a SN daycare/parental support facility in Horsham? There doesn't seem to be much down there and Charities such as Children in Need might be able to help. You could possibly draw an income from it eventually and it might be possible to do with needy kids in tow, as I said, if everyone helps.

BoffinMum · 19/05/2012 23:13

I am just trying to think practically. DS 1 and 2 have disabilities, as do I, and I find being able to work has made a lot of difference to overall wellbeing.

Glitterknickaz · 19/05/2012 23:16

Parental support I'm up for, tbh daycare would be fraught with all sorts of h&s issues that I'm a bit scared to look into. There are things down here but nothing is particularly joined up or publicised.

BoffinMum · 19/05/2012 23:25

Well, would providing a bit of PR and joining up and publicity via a website be a first step? Then formalising it in some way?

doormat · 20/05/2012 01:34

in 2006 i was sent a letter by the jobcentre to attend a back to work interview.....
at the time i had a child on high rate dla/care/mobility..he had severe sn

i took my ds to the interview and once the jobcentre staff seen my ds they apologised and said they had made a mistake as i was obviously a carer...

i seen this as an opportunity and asked them if they could help me find a little job whilst my ds was at school...

they found me a 2 hr a day job as a lunch cover in a nursery....i must say it helped me enormously as it opened doors in a social context as until then i was isolated...

dh already worked and with my small pt job i had some pin money for myself...i was still entitled to carers as i didnt earn enough but i contributed a small amount of tax and ni contributions....the job i had the boss knew i had carer responsibilities to my ds...medical appts were wangled around my working times and if ds was ill...i phoned in saying i would be off due to ds and take it as one of my holidays (i know i didnt have to do this but i didnt want to take the piss and it was a mutualagreement between me and my employers)....maybe i was lucky but i found it to be beneficial to be in work (however small the hours) as it provided a better wellbeing in myself...i found my depression had gone and my self esteem had improved dramatically....

doormat · 20/05/2012 01:35

ps before this i interview i never claimed any jobseekers so dont know why i was asked to attend a back to work interview????

Mulsanne · 20/05/2012 01:43

A lot of the unemployed should be put through a mincer and spread on the fields for fertilizer which would mean they were making a contribution to society. That is the opinion of someone who has worked in the benefits system all her life and is in despair at how it is abused Angry Sad

LaBellaItaliana · 20/05/2012 01:44

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doormat · 20/05/2012 01:50

yes mulsanne...i have a family member who is pooping their pants because of the dla changes...she has milked the system for years with over exaggerated illnesses and fooled the docs to claim dla....it ,akes my blood boil as my ds was entitled to it as his disabilities were very severe...she gets mobility yet can walk around, by herself and on her own...my ds couldnt...

AmberLeaf · 20/05/2012 02:03

ps before this i interview i never claimed any jobseekers so dont know why i was asked to attend a back to work interview????

Hmmm because you just made that all up?

You would not be sent a letter about a back to work interview unless you were claiming as a single parent.

So you either made that up or you were claiming despite having a DH that worked.

Which is it?

doormat · 20/05/2012 02:27

amberleaf it is the truth...i didnt know why...they said it was a mistake...dont call me a liar or even insinuate that i am one thankyou

doormat · 20/05/2012 02:28

n why would i make it up..i have nothing to gain ffs...

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BoffinMum · 20/05/2012 08:14

I think Mulsanne was actually making the point that some people are very unkind about claimants and this makes her angry. Wink

WRT parents of disabled children working, I think this is such a good idea as they have often got so much to offer, and if they're working, they are out of the home for a few hours a week and slap bang in the mainstream once again. This means they are more visible, and able to influence those around them for the better.

If I were in Government I would be tempted to bring in a Disability Working Allowance for those who are disabled or who have disabled children, to help with childcare costs/provision and employment costs (eg minimising commuting times and inconvenience, that kind of thing). Something like that, anyway. At the moment so many people are heavily penalised for taking up low paid work, or find it impossible to get specialist childcare, even though we know it's in everyone's interests for adults to be out of the home doing something independent for a bit of time each week.

Oakmaiden · 20/05/2012 09:16

I would like to think you are right boffinmum, but that isn't how I read mulsanne's comment at all. Perhaps she could come back and clarify if that is actually her appalling opinion.

WasabiTillyMinto · 20/05/2012 09:31

On Philip Green: his companies do pay loads of tax. You can argue he should pay more, in tax and to staff, but he does actually contribute more to tax and creating jobs than the rest of us.

If anyone else can set up a company create the same number of jobs, pay higher wages and pay more tax, then they have done something better. But the rest of us haven't contributed anything like what he has done and we are kidding ourselves if we think otherwise!

edam · 20/05/2012 09:35

Come off it Wasabi, he avoids billions of pounds worth of tax by the artificial device of having all his profits paid to his missus, who happens to live in a tax haven. Yeah, strangely enough it's impossible to avoid paying NI for his employees - that doesn't make him a saint, it means his advisers can't find a way round it.