so, we are all shafted then. public sector workers in poor areas to get pay freeze

[ThatVikRinA22]

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this is a great idea. NOT.

as a fairly new police officer, i was horrified to read Windsors 2nd review, basically, as a 40 year old woman, i would not have got in to the police service under these new recommendations. The police will lose all their protected rights but still not have the legal right to strike.I am still wading through it - this job is far far tougher than i thought possible, and at the end of most shifts i look back and think "i was in real danger there...." Reading it, it looks like it is stacked against older officers and women, and if you are injured (even while on duty) and on 'light duties' for more than 12 months, they can get rid of you.
Thats before they make the fitness test harder for older officers and increase the retirement age/pensionable age to 60, (but i know i wont be rolling around on the floor with people at 60, or running a fitness test - they will have rid of me long before tha,t i suspect) as it is we have a 2 year pay freeze with then only a 1% increase for the following 2 years, and they want to reduce the starting wage by £4500 while asking that you have a degree to join....it is ludicrous.....this is all while numbers have dropped and police budgets lessoned by at least 20%, in reality i can see since i joined that our numbers are less and it makes the job dangerous - i have been in really precarious situations where i needed back up and there has been none (im thinking of one particular night shift where there was myself and my female colleague being the only available car left in our district when we got called to a burglary in progress in a remote scrap yard with no back up available)....anyway enough of me....

because now, our dear PM has decided that teachers and nurses in poorer areas should have a pay freeze because they live in a poor area and obviously dont need as much to live on for that reason, while teachers in more affluent areas should be on more money.

i wish i could say i was incredulous. sadly im not.

Good point, MrsJamesmartin. Anyone who has a child in state school in a poorer area should be very concerned about this proposal.

What will these "masses of vacant posts" be?

This is just... unbelievable.

I am in the public sector at the moment, but I am in a job that can be public or private and moved into the public sector purely because it was the only job available in my field in the area of the NORTH I moved to in order for us to be able to afford a very modest family home (2-bed ex-council, no garden, no drive).

I won't just leave the North, I will leave this country if this goes ahead, and I won't be the only one. I do a very highly specialist job in diagnostics that can mean the difference between life and death. I won't have problem finding employment in Canada or Australia, I have even seen attractive jobs advertised in Ireland where there are hardly any jobs left!

I won't be the only one. When people leave these poor areas, there will be nothing left behind. It will impact on everyone, in the North and in the South. I am just flabberghasted. It defies belief, even for a Tory government. It is just unsustainable.

I'm more concerned about my kids being taught by a second-class (=second-rate?) teacher.

x-posts, that was to Grag

'pay peanuts get monkeys' - our local force wants 2 a levels A-C now.

I wouldn't do it, and I am in a similar role as a civvy.

If a post is the same as one 15 miles away but actually with more crap to deal with as its in a deprived area but has a salary that is a couple of thousands less, do you really think there will be droves of applicants to fill it? I'm talking about post where specific qualifications and experience are needed so would not be open to all. Or do you believe that the public sector worker would still jump at the chance to " make a difference" despite not having any type of home life themselves because they struggle to make ends meet?

Its shocking and just what you get with a tory government. Fucking wolves in sheeps clothing

Exactly, vicarinatutu
What police officer is going to risk life and limb in public disorder situations when their paymasters treat them with such disrespect?
It is a fundamental rule of power surely - keep the law enforcers onside in times of trouble
What do they teach them at eton these days? Standards are slipping! I blame the teachers

How many police officers are willing to risk life and limb in public disorder situations already? Look at last years riots? They went on for several days before the police got their act together. In times, they'd have just gone in and slapped a few heads together and dispersed the rest of the rioters.

They are thick. That will be the problem, right there.

(not the police, Cameron et al, bad x-post)

'If a post is the same as one 15 miles away but actually with more crap to deal with as its in a deprived area but has a salary that is a couple of thousands less, do you really think there will be droves of applicants to fill it?'

I think there will be no choice, because the other roles will have too many applicants. There is a shortage of work and many people chasing the same vacancies.

Grag- the vast majority of police officers risk life and limb every day, you twat.

C'est un traveste. Les Tory Bastardes being allowed de masquerade come le Lib Dems pour le 2 annes. Matainent je regarde luer true colours. A fucking tax casse pour le rich, mon pied.

under the new proposals, what kind of person do you think is going to join the police?

i have 40 years of life experience, i have a son with autism, i am calm, disciplined, empathetic, logical, firm and fair.

it took me 2 years to get into the police, i was a special (volunteer) for 2 years prior to that, i underwent 7 rounds of interviews, tests, vetting, fitness tests, etc etc I then undertook 17 weeks of training, with further training between then and now, consisting of 2 2 week blocks and one day every 10 weeks. I now work a 56 hour week, unpaid overtime most weeks, and shifts including nights. It is a frontline role, i am a response officer, within the last 2 years i have lost count of the number of times i have been threatened, spat at, called a cunt, (and worse) assaulted and even, once, sexually assaulted by "customers". I have heard about colleagues recently being set upon with swords or machetes. I have missed important family events, parents evenings, appointments for this job. I have had to cancel a holiday. and now i feel, for what?

i have no degree, but i have a good standard of education, and plenty of life experience to draw upon for the role. Under the new proposals, i wouldnt have got in, simple as that, and now i will be ousted if i have the misfortune to be injured while on or off duty, or the day i am too old to run the bleep tests, regardless of how good i actually am at my job. At the moment, there is no room to progress or switch role because of the abject lack of front line police, to often dangerous levels - ie - if you need back up - forget it. We have a 2 year pay freeze now as it is, so by the time i have been in 6 years, i will be on the wage of someone who has done 2 years service. After that, i will have a 1% increase for the following 2 years. no incremental rises. Experience will not pay.

how is that right? What kind of person is going to join this job now? Those who will readily take back handers? bribes? this is what has happened in other countries where the same has happened. Our police force is the best in the world, It wont be if this continues.

My civilian colleagues in the control room earn more than me. So do the PCSOs, because they are classed as civvies, they get shift allowances. One bobby i work with was in the control room, she took a pay cut to become a PCSO, then another to become a police officer. We are not well paid as it is, and under the new proposals the start wage will be cut by another £4500, despite the need for a degree.

I am honestly wondering why i sacrificed the things i did to become a police officer. Its all i wanted to do, but i dont think its worth it. not anymore. I earn only about £3 more per hour than i did as a doctors receptionist. The public sector is fucked.

Was very depressed but not surprised from a Tory government to see this on the news this morning.

It makes no sense to make professionals poorer and how can they compare what I do (a nurse) with someone in the private sector?

" slapped a few heads together of course Grag that's what they should have done. Ever heard of the IPCC or PACE? We are not in 1980's anymore. Any incidents like that would have resulted in suspension on FULL PAY and a long investigation by the IPCC all funded by the tax payer of course.

girliefriend, truth is they cannot compare, don't wish to and have absolutely no idea what is it work in many public sector roles. I would love some of these people to work with me and my DH for a few weeks and really see what its like but , of course, they wouldn't.

'If a post is the same as one 15 miles away but actually with more crap to deal with as its in a deprived area but has a salary that is a couple of thousands less, do you really think there will be droves of applicants to fill it?'

'I think there will be no choice, because the other roles will have too many applicants. There is a shortage of work and many people chasing the same vacancies.'

Claig, so that means it will be the less competent/ less experienced teachers working in the most deprived schools? You must see that that is a terrible scenario. This idea seems to be all about widening the pay gap and increasing cycles of poverty.

Exactly grag
You prove my point
Do a quick google about when all this started re t+c for police then join the dots
And that was just the beginning
Perhaps you are young? Go look up the police in the 80's - start with the miners
. Read up about police pay beforehand under thatcher
Compare and contrast

If these reforms, particularly wrt the police, do happen then I assume , the police will then get some of the rights of other ps workers like the right to strike, the right to belong to a union, not having your annual leave cancelled at a moments notice or not being banned from booking any leave from May to September 2012 because of the Olympics or the ability to ban anyone who is abusive from ever accessing your service again much like shops do?

Politically have been a left leaning right-winger but as a lone-parent part-time teacher of small dcs I think the govt have economically forced me out of my job.

Patsy, i agree that it wil just get worse. I don't like it.

I think it will lead to strikes and then more privatisation, more free schools and academies and more private policing.

you would assume incorrectly there mrsjamesmartin - the govt has already said that the police having industrial rights will remain a no go. We have no union, just the fed (big. sappy toothless tiger that it is that costs me £25 a month....)

i have no problem in theory with a review of T&C for the police - but they have to be fair! these are just not, not whichever way i look at them.

i didnt mean to turn this into pity party for the police, but Windsor II only came out the other day and im still reeling.

Then today, i heard about the other public sector cuts to be announced in next weeks budget and i wonder quite how this government are getting away with all this?