so, we are all shafted then. public sector workers in poor areas to get pay freeze

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this is a great idea. NOT.

as a fairly new police officer, i was horrified to read Windsors 2nd review, basically, as a 40 year old woman, i would not have got in to the police service under these new recommendations. The police will lose all their protected rights but still not have the legal right to strike.I am still wading through it - this job is far far tougher than i thought possible, and at the end of most shifts i look back and think "i was in real danger there...." Reading it, it looks like it is stacked against older officers and women, and if you are injured (even while on duty) and on 'light duties' for more than 12 months, they can get rid of you.
Thats before they make the fitness test harder for older officers and increase the retirement age/pensionable age to 60, (but i know i wont be rolling around on the floor with people at 60, or running a fitness test - they will have rid of me long before tha,t i suspect) as it is we have a 2 year pay freeze with then only a 1% increase for the following 2 years, and they want to reduce the starting wage by £4500 while asking that you have a degree to join....it is ludicrous.....this is all while numbers have dropped and police budgets lessoned by at least 20%, in reality i can see since i joined that our numbers are less and it makes the job dangerous - i have been in really precarious situations where i needed back up and there has been none (im thinking of one particular night shift where there was myself and my female colleague being the only available car left in our district when we got called to a burglary in progress in a remote scrap yard with no back up available)....anyway enough of me....

because now, our dear PM has decided that teachers and nurses in poorer areas should have a pay freeze because they live in a poor area and obviously dont need as much to live on for that reason, while teachers in more affluent areas should be on more money.

i wish i could say i was incredulous. sadly im not.

'the Gov is still pushing for teaching to be Masters level'

But is this really necessary? Is it a way of restricting the number of applicants?

I work in the public sector. In fact I came home after a 9-hr shift which started at 7am an collapsed into bed as soon as I got through the door.

This regional pay thing is going to create more inequalities.

That said, DP's income halved two years ago-recession, private sector, self employed. We now have a lot of debt.

Isn't national bargaining better for teh employer or government, because it means that they can negotiate a pay deal that avoids strokes nationally? If we have local bargaining, won'r there be more local strikes, which will be more difficult to prevent?

claig

A masters may not be necessary, but it is what the gov want.

5 years of tuition fees (if we include Masters level) + all other costs, for a job that in some areas maybe worth £18,000 isn't going to work.

I agree, Boney. Do maths teachers need a masters too? Is it being used to restrict numbers in some areas or all areas?

I live where I could teach in an affluent part of the county with high living costs or a more deprived area. So would I be paid on the basis of where I live or where I work and why would I possibly choose to be paid less for working under much tougher conditions? Why would anybody?

Mark my words, this govts undoing will be messing with the police t+c. Thatcher had more sense. Unless cameron is planning on redeploying the armed services to quell the riots of course. They are quite dim, these new breed tories

"A masters may not be necessary, but it is what the gov want.

5 years of tuition fees (if we include Masters level) + all other costs, for a job that in some areas maybe worth £18,000 isn't going to work."
In the areas where it is worth £18,000, you would struggle to earn £18,000 doing anything else, and you could probably get a mortgage on that salary.

No way would masters for Maths teachers be viable, they are short already. Masters for English teachers would be good though.

Claig, I'm not sure that all teachers need degrees, I am of an age where I remember cert ed teachers (not many left now) and they where some of the best that I had.

Grag, please tell me where I can get a morgage on £18,000 as I come from an area where that is the average and you couldn't afford a morgage on that.

'Why would anybody?'

Unfortunrely, I think that they will, because there will be no other option. Living standards and conditions are being cut and it doesn't look like the unions will be able to prevent it; it doesn't look like there is much option.

Agree, Boney, it's the same for nurses.

Hope that everyone is ready for the rioting and crime rocketing as this is what will happen if these plans come to fruition. PS workers will not stay doing the same job for less than their colleagues ten miles away, not for all the hassle that a lot of front line ps jobs entail.

Get ready for ghettoisation, that is what is going to happen. Disgrace. But something has to pay for the removal of the 50p tax rate I guess, yes, lets take it from those who serve the most vulnerable of our society. I thought that the level of civilisation in a country could largely be judged by how the most vulnerable were treated.

Cut and slash services, pay and job morale in haste, ConDems , you will have lots of time to repent at leisure.

Can you tell I am more than a bit pee'd off

isn't this just more divide and rule?

`I'm alright Jack cos I live in Hampshire , screw you cos you are up north in oooh, Harrogate or somewhere really anachronistically expensive in a low-wage economy'??

This lot have got well underway with a sustained attack on the public sector.

I work in the public sector (have also worked in private and charity sectors in my time), and believe in what I do. Fuck it, should have gone and made wigits or moved cash around, eh? More worthwhile? So long as it's adding to corporate profits? Fuck the idea of the state as something to improve people's lives then?

Cameron makes me sick to the core.

MrsJamesMartin, are you aware that the 50p tax rate was only brought in by Labour right at the end of their reign of terror?

Public sector workers are not "the most vulnerable" by any stretch of the imagination. The people I feel sorry for are low-paid private sector workers, who were shit upon by Labour from a great height for 13 years, what with the housing boom and unfettered immigration, which Brown freely admitted was to keep wages down at the bottom end.

'Hope that everyone is ready for the rioting and crime rocketing as this is what will happen if these plans come to fruition'

There'll be no rioting or crime. Public sector workers are not like that. Either they will become more politically active and try to change things, or more likely they wil have to accept it as the way that things are going.

'The people I feel sorry for are low-paid private sector workers, who were shit upon by Labour from a great height for 13 years'

Grag is right. Most of them have no pension at all. But no one cared about them.

Crime may increase if the police get hacked off enough and leave in droves...

I live in the North East. While I don't work in the public sector (I am self-employed), this news makes me want to cry. Public sector workers probably do earn more than many around my way, but they are the ones keeping things afloat here. We cannot afford for them to be less well paid. There is already a brain drain on this very popular university city because ambitious people feel they have to go south for jobs. This move would be horrendous for the North East.

It seems perfectly obvious to me that a better resolution would be to try and make places where people can afford to live (ie the regions) also more attractive places to live. Don't leave us in the wilderness! London is too full already. Wealth needs to be spread - and it's better for everyone when the playing field is more level.

But there are plenty of people that would jump at the chance to join the police, even under the new terms of service.

merci - at the moment in my force PSU or 'riot' police undertake the extra training/responsibility voluntarily - but given that Windsor wants to undertake to make sure that any officer injured can be dismissed after 12 months, again - why would anyone choose to put themselves at such risk when it could be the nail in your own coffin? officers get injured in public order situations. fact. So im betting the next thing will be to make it a compulsory part of the role, after all, that should ensure losing a few thousand.

i think this government has shown its contempt for our NHS, nurses, teachers and police. Surely, posts in the most difficult to work areas should be paid the same as those in affluent areas? Why will anyone do these jobs in run down or less affluent areas otherwise? I am so sick of this government, why are they not penalising the bankers with their huge bonuses? where is the cap on politicians wages and expense claims? forgotten those expense claims have they? robbing bastards all of them. The more i read Windsor, the more i read the news, the more my blood boils.

i cannot wait for the next election. i cant wait to see Cleggs face when his party is trampled into the fucking ground due to his weakness and stupidity in aligning himself with this set of absolute thieving, hypocritical bastards. Banking crisis? make the public sector, the single parents, the disabled and the poorest in society pay - the big society? fuck right off Cameron.

grag up until 2 years ago i was one of those private sector workers with no pension! im stiffed whichever way i turn!

Read my post again Grag, I didn't refer to public sector workers as the most vulnerable.

Good thing the 50p tax rate, no reason it should go.

Many people would jump at the chance of joining the police even on lower pay and different terms and conditions you're right, but if you pay peanuts, you get monkeys simple as that.

Claig, no it won't be the public sector workers who riot or increase the crime but the disengaged members of society that they serve when their services are stripped to the bone or there are masses of vacant posts.