The press nominate an all male line up for BBC sports personality of the year

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hardly wonderful news for encouraging young girls to get interested in sport and have positive role models.
We have some world class female sports woman and they have been overlooked

cycling, swimming and triathlon and they get shunned by an all make line up

why?

I don't think the issue is just with the BBC/press/whoever it is who make the nominations. If you asked people to name 5 female and 5 male successful sport's people most wouldn't be able to name 5 females (IMO).

I think the issue is more with the media/tv/sponsors who generally don't cover female sport and don't put money into it meaning it has a very low profile.

I wonder how many of the people making the lists of nominations were women? What's shocking is that people can just not NOTICE that they've made their list such a total sausagefest. But can you imagine if they'd done all female lists? There would be uproar.

actually - you make a lot of sense, we rarely see chrisse or rebecca on tv and emin or kerri-ann

the higher end money is in golf and three golfers are nominated....not that I can name any of the golfers or the only name i knew was andy the tennis chap and the male cyclists whats his name

Last year, all the winners were male.

And I had a quick google for past winners of the main award. Of 55, 13 are female.

13/55 is quite surprising! Males must make up way more than 75% of professional sport's people. Probably more like 95%.

Yes but recently British women have done a better job than British men in lots of sports.

You're not the only one complaining.

But given the drawbacks of a highly public profile & celebrity, I think I'd prefer to be a not so famous but still top-of-my-area female athlete than a widely recognised male nearly-the-top athlete. And this award is very much about celebrity to my mind, it really is about personality and not pure sporting achievement.

The only sporting poster on DS's wall (replaced Johny Wilkinson, actually) is of Lizzie Armistead currently, at least. DD prefers to plaster her walls with horses' arses, instead .

I'll ruddy scream if Mark Cavendish doesn't win it

Jessica Ennis' abs deserve a nomination of their own.

dd2 has a photo of her on her wall

I suppose the reflection is on the newspaper sports editors who are so out of touch with female sports followers. They have no idea what sports females are wanting to watch or see on telly and they keep plugging into the male sports watchers.

A whole market out their that is virgin ground for them

The lads' mags have an influence on the crappy shortlist.

V.little money in most womens sports relative to men. Also,many sports writers are men so that will have a bearing.

This might be controversial but the woman who've been suggested (Chrissie Wellington, Rebecca Adlington and Kerri-Ann Payne) have either not actually achieved many titles/gold medals this year as some of the men or are in sports with quite a low profile.

Rebecca 'only' got one gold medal at a major (major enough to be mentioned by bbc) event this year- there are other swimmers who did the same.

Kerri-Ann competes in an event with a low profile and the fact that she was "named as the first member of the 2012 British Olympic team" (BBC) isn't relevant.

Chrissie is amazing and I'd love to see a triathlete on the list but unfortunatly it is not a sport covered much at all. She is the best female triathlete in the World but there are 2 World class male triathletes who are British and they're not on the list either.

Well, they're not going to get a higher profile now, are they?

And the selction process is skewed anyway. Zoo and Nuts, FFS.

kerri ann got gold to qualify the fact she was the first person to do so isn't relevant - but surely the fact she did win is relevant even though it was low profile by the press and media. The fact you didn't know that she won gold but did qualify is a little strange?

Addlington won gold with a spectacular end to her race, yes so did other swimmers.

As for for the Brownlee brothers - have they done as well as Chrissie this year - the photos of her injuries are quite amazing when she was racing, it was the fact she never gave in <a class="break-all" href="http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=chrissie+wellington+crash&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1280&bih=685&tbm=isch&tbnid=M5Y2HVT3R_0XgM:&imgrefurl=www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/other_sports/triathlon/3958146/Chrissie-Wellington-keen-to-add-the-feminine-touch-to-BBC-Sports-Personality-Of-The-Year.html&docid=GM_K47cSUPg0xM&imgurl=img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01412/wellington_682x450_1412972a.jpg&w=682&h=450&ei=SSbWTuvIEcu58gP9udWOAg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=538&sig=109035886832673808290&page=2&tbnh=139&tbnw=184&start=18&ndsp=17&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:18&tx=62&ty=99" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here that got my admiration. I want all three to do really well 2012

thank goodness I don't pay for a licence fee then, no tv here as not enough sport, real sport by either sex - just football and golf.

Men will always dominate sport - they partake in it a lot more than women & watch it more too. The mens 4x4 is the high light of any major sporting event, plus the mens final at Wimbledon is watched by more people than the womens. That's just the way it is and I'm not really bothered by it.
I prefer watching men - you can't stick a women in just to make up the numbers - who watches swimming or cycling?

Fucking outrageous! I wondered whether anyone would post this!

All the people who are saying elsewhere that no woman has achieved enough this year are, surprise surprise, men. The short list was made up from nominations from chief sports writers on papers i.e. men. How are women supposed to get equal covereage if this situation continues?

There are loads of women who watch sport, but they shout about it less than men do.

I can't help thinking this whole thing should always be by public vote, from the outset, not just a public vote on the final 10 candidates?

Chrissie Wellington gets my vote.

"2 of the publications who were asked for nominations were Nuts and Zoo.
If you want a range of opinion that takes account of women's achievements, it's probably best not to ask people whose aim in life is perpetuate the view that they are animated sex toys, one would think - the BBC disagrees. yet more licence fees well spent, eh?"

were they paid?

10 nominations for footballers then?

The whole thing is a MASSIVE stitch up. How can it be so hard to have a fair and balanced vote? I remember a few years ago when they profiled the nominees and their achievements through the show, yet voting opened from the outset. Nicole Cooke was "profiled" last (which consisted of Chiles simply asking her if she had scabs on her knees from falling off her bike ). Unsurprisingly she received hardly votes despite having won virtually everything out there for her to win that year.

And as for the Ryan Giggs thing...

Better by far would be to try and get away from this tasteless cult of personality which seems to have emerged in the last few years and go back to Sports Review of the Year, which was fun and interesting to watch.

The lack of females on the list is a big news story which in itself is getting good coverage. However I think the focus on the lad mags etc is misleading. If they had a big say in it then it is more suprising that there are no footballers, rugby players, jockeys etc on the list.

I think main stream TV coverage has more influence hence the golfers, cricketers and athletes - if the girls had won Golds in Daegu like Mo Farah and Dai Greene - then I'm sure they would have been included.

As a matter of interest which of the 10 would you not have on the shortlist to make way for a female or two?

Can we have a MN Sports Personality of the Year and vote for it on here, and then invite the woman concerned to come on for a live webchat?

Beth Tweddle should've been on there. She's certainly more deserving than Andy Murray. A third consecutive European title, and leading Team GB to their best ever world championships result. It's always hard for a sport like gymnastics in a non-Olympic year, but then she got nominated in 06 and 09. Of course, she's committed the cardinal sin of not being beautiful. That, combined with the fact that dirty little wank mags are allowed to nominate, puts her at a disadvantage despite her talent and achievements.