Soham Murder trial

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I am sure this must be indescribably Painful for the parents , But I was thinking in bed - what if I had been selected for that Jury service....

I am soooooo emotional and i reckon that this would seriously affect me for the rest of my life (not saying it wouldnt for others natch).

I know you cant get out of Jury Service But God - how would you cope?

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Maxine Carr didn't tell the police where the boides were though, they were found by a dog walker. She might well have kept the secret too, had they been undiscovered.

just read that he says he was worried about being framed for the murders when he 'realised' he was the last person to see them. His story seems so full of inconsistencies.

I was walking round at lunchtime thinking of what could possibly have happened - that wouldnt be murder. and I didnt think of drugs, which as has been said, would at least have meant they didnt know about it.

I could only think of some sort of accident - electrical? - but if that had happened why on earth would your reaction be to try to cover it all up and to put those families through that hell??

I think it is clear that Maxine Carr isn't quite 'right' - God knows what her relationship with Huntley was like, what kind of codependency she felt or how he may have hurt her. She had a history of anorexia and other mental illness and has repeatedly tried to kill herself. Who knows what she thought she was doing when she lied for Huntley, but honestly, does anyone really think that telling lies is really isn't the same as murdering children? She's certainly no Myra Hindley - she wasn't even there. And as has been said, she will be punished for the rest of her life for this.
As for jury service, I just said (truthfully) that I had nobody else to look after ds so couldn't do it. I would definitely have done it if I didn't have him. I think it's my duty.

I mean, can anyone think lying is the same as murdering children?

I certainly agree she did wrong, and may well be bonkers, but there is a huge gulf between what he is accused of and what she did.

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Rationally I agree with what Aloha is saying (and dadslib), but I think it's impossible to be rational in this case. Women are generally not involved in children's murder and I think they are judged much more harshly than men. I judge them more harshly too, but I am not sure why. It's an emotinal thing.

I too have heard some of the details the press won't release - my friend's dad knows a copper in Cambridgeshire.....you get to hear these things.Not sure about the boiler but their bodies definitely were burned beyond recognition.He is denying murder but conceding that they died in his house while he was there.How confusing is that? one point about jury service, Gem 13 you said Teachers can be exempt from it but they can't. I was called 4 years ago, deferred as it was in the last few weeks of years 11 and 13 revision,but was told next time I would not be allowed to defer.So I was recalled about 2 months later to sit on a pretty nasty multiple rape case at Old Bailey.
I believe members of the legal and medical professions can be exempt, people with criminal records and people of the cloth.And possibly members of the armed forces.
Jury service is an enormous privelege and responsibility but the case stays with you for a long time. I don't know how I would cope with this case.

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In the West trial a huge amount of detail was never reported as it was simply to horrific and pornographic to put in a paper that anyone could read. Some of the reporters on that trial were very traumatised by what they heard. The stuff of nightmares.

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that seems to be what he is claiming twinkie.But who will ever know ? forensic tests couldn't seem to establish a cause of death as the corpses were so destroyed so he will take his filthy secret to his grave....one detail I heard today on the news was that he claimed in a phone call to maxine carr that he was going to be 'fitted up like last time', which implies he has previous convictions of some sort, also remember the furore after the events about teaching and nursery staff being security checked ? that was because of him although it was never said. he was given his job as caretaker withough his background being checked as far as I can see.

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yes i understand Twinkie. I am morbidly fascinated by the case - I guess I feel I need to understand it. Yet the more I hear the more repulsed I am.I think I'd better stop dwelling on it too!

The prosecution case states that they were seen near his house at about 6.32pm and that Jessica's phone was switched off at 6.46pm. What kind of accident could they both have had in 14 minutes?

yes, I agree we shouldn't dwell on the more morbid details in case by chance the parents of the girls read this or anyone who knows them.

I guess we'll be reading lots about the trial in the press. It's started already.

I agree - but from the legal point of view I admit I am intrigued as to the defence they are going to offer.

Dadslib
as for your comment that you agree but she is no Myra Hindley fair enough but she is Maxine Carr a woman who lied repeatedly to cover up her boyfriends dispicable deeds.
I dont give a toss whether she did it or not she played a role in their deaths.

As for the mental illness bit (anorexic, depression etc) its all my arse. There are thousands and thousands of women out there suffering everyday but they dont act in this way.

Just an excuse for her defence IMO.

I can't listen to it, it makes me feel sick

It said on the news tonight that their clothes were discovered partily burnt in one of the bins at the school, with their trainers. On top was a binbag with his fingerprint on it and hair was discovered on the clothes.

Whilst I can appreciate how fascinating this case is, simply to try to understand how people could do this sort of thing. I do think it is unnecessary to go into the details, rumour or otherwise, of how they died. It bears no relevance to what is being discussed and if any relation of Holly or Jessica's happened to come across this thread, they might be very upset to read some of the details. As members of the public I don't think we have any right to find out how they died, surely it's a truly personal and private matter for the families only?

Rhubarb I am quite sure that the relatives of holly and Jessica would already know all the details of their deaths and what happened that night.The police wouldnt want them to be shocked in court.

But I still dont think it is right for the public to know the sordid details.

Doormat - is it not possible that Carr lied because she thought Huntley was innocent? (but knew suspicions would fall on him if she told the truth). I do feel she has been judged a bit harshly anyway (perhaps. perhaps she is a calculating liar, but even if she was she wouldn't have deserved the treatement she has received).

Agree the details are unecessary. But find myself oddly compelled by them...

agree wholeheartedly with rhubarb, think it is horrible and unnecessary to discuss/speculate on the exact details of what happened to those poor girls.