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The Leveson Inquiry

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bananaistheanswer · 22/11/2011 13:58

I know there is a thread on Hugh Grant, but wanted to start one to discuss the bits and bobs that's been happening. Might be worth having one thread to cover this? Ignore if you disagree!

Anyway, was interested in a couple of things that have happened today. Diane Watson's parents giving evidence, not directly linked to phone hacking, but as general evidence regarding the PCC's toothless, spineless dealings with complaints about the press and their intrusions. Interesting and compelling evidence. Particularly as they have been campaigning on the issue for years, long before the whole phone hacking thing blew up. This is what the BBC have said they have been doing over the years because of their experience of the press at large -

The submission added that Mr and Mrs Watson had:

direct contact with the newspaper and the magazine (publications that they felt were wrong on what they wrote about their daughter)

complained to the Press Complaints Commission

contacted their own MP and MEP

engaged in correspondence with the Scottish and Home Offices, the Scottish Parliament Committee's Justice Committees and the European Commission of Human Rights

and lodged a petition with the Scottish Parliament on 10 May, 2002, regarding wider policy issues.

Their son committed suicide, with clippings of press articles written about his sister, found in his hand.

Moving onto Gary Flitcroft - had 2 affairs, tried to get the stories snuffed out, was refused and then was hounded by the press. He blames is father's suicide some years later on the publicity given to his affairs, resulting in a man who already suffered from depression, losing interest in watching his son play football because of the publicity his affairs got in the press, and then the chanting at football grounds which were too much for him.

Then, there was Elle Macpherson's assistant, accused of speaking to journalists on her private life/crumbling relationship, who was forced to go to rehab for 'alcoholism' as Elle felt she wouldn't have betrayed her trust if it wasn't for her alcoholism. She went to rehab, but then got sacked afterwards anyway. She wrote to the police on realising that her phone could have been hacked, but wasn't answered. Bizarre story.

The various QCs or whoever, commenting on the fact the Mail on Sunday have now attacked Hugh Grant on a personal level, because of his evidence yesterday, when it was supposedly agreed no attacks would follow anyone who gave evidence.

It's mental so far, the picture being painted (granted by those on the receiving end of the press intrusion) is just awful. Watched some ex NOTW journo on sky trying to justify the Mail's reaction, with a Daily Star Journo actually backing Grant in his stance re his daughter's mother etc.

It's all pretty gripping stuff.

So far, we have had 2 people mentioned as having committed suicide, which their families believe were linked to the press coverage of the stories linked to them. I am genuinely wondering how many more stories we'll hear along those lines.

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bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 10:19

Just catching up on the guardian blog - ANL have agreed not to use any anonymous evidence given by their employees in disciplinary action, but, they retain the right to sack or discipline employees whose evidence raises serious allegations of gross misconduct against them.

Hmm
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FantasticVoyage · 29/11/2011 10:19

Seeing today features one journalist and two ex-journalists, what's the reading on the CelebsAndOrDeservingItMeter today?

bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 10:26

I'm guessing Richard Peppiatt has given up his career in tabloid journalism - he's laying bare the workings of his former employer the Daily Star, and it's not a flattering picture he is painting. He's pretty much confirming what we all know about the tabloids, but he isn't hiding behind the 'we seek the truth' BS justification given by a lot of the tabloid papers.

Interesting stuff.

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bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 10:31

Fantastic, I'm guessing that this might be the excuse for less exposure and coverage today (that, and Osbourne's statement) as either the media have decided that no one is interested in what a few journalists have to say (ignoring my preparations Hmm) or because there are no celebs, no point in covering today's evidence.

I think today could be the most revealing so far.

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bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 10:45

Blimey, journalist develops a conscience. Peppiatt has just issued an apology to Kevin McGee's family (ex partner of Matt Lucas) for the story he wrote on him after his death.

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bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 10:47

Now he's apologising to Susan Boyle. Where has this sudden contrition come from?

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NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 10:57

Judt looking at Richard peppiatt evidence and what he describes will be familiar to anyone who has done shifts on the tabloids.

ShirleyKnot · 29/11/2011 11:00

Richard Desmond will be frothing at the mouth. the cunt

NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 11:07

I think many graduates start out thinking they will be exposing injustice with their noble sword of truth or whatever - and find the reality of 'churnalism' to much to stomach. Met up with some old colleagues and very few of us are still doing it. A sub editor friend described it as 'dirty.'

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 11:08

The contrition probably arises from not wanting to be one of the people who does time over this.

bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 11:14

One of the comments he made about writing anything they want to, with regard to someone who is dead, resonates with the evidence given by the Watson's last week. That is exactly what they said, and why they have been fighting to years to get something done about that attitude.

Peppiatt is giving a warts and all account of working on a tabloid. I didn't actually think any journalist would be that honest about it. I'm quite Shock that he is being this forthcoming. Some of the things he's describing that he's done are awful, but I can't help but think 'good on him' for being so forthcoming. It's a breath of fresh air to hear a journalist actually admit to the BS that is behind so many headlines.

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ShirleyKnot · 29/11/2011 11:16

What I don't understand...and I would love some answers on this...is that part of the "defense" of it all is that of supply and demand.

I completely "get" (although obviously I don't because I'm not dragging my knuckles on the floor) that some people might want to read about sex scandals Hmm..but I cannot be convinced that anyone would have been saying "Oh, I wish The Sun had published a picture of 's funeral today, I really fancied gazing upon the faces of someone grieving"

It's all such self serving fucking shit. It's actually making me very angry.

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 11:17

The reality of being a lawyer is disillusioning in a similar way NT, although I'd like to think there are very few of us engaged in active criminality! And lots of people get out of it after a few years of it not being what they expected.

bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 11:17

davey, you may well be bang on with that comment. Now reading about his phone hacking suspicions.

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NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 11:18

What he was saying about the distinction between legality and morality is also something that resonates. So much of news is : ' but can we get away with it..'

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 11:21

interesting - huge compensation payout to Matt Lucas over the Kevin McGee stories he wrote, not even mentioned to him let alone a disciplinary. The compensation seen as an overhead rather than the outcome of his unacceptable behaviour.

bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 11:26

The compensation seen as an overhead rather than the outcome of his unacceptable behaviour.

So true davey. That nails the whole attitude of the tabloids IMO.

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NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 11:35

They are well insured

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 11:39

So are lawyers but my firm would have plenty to say about it if they got sued because of me.

FantasticVoyage · 29/11/2011 12:13

@ShirleyKnot:

I completely "get" (although obviously I don't because I'm not dragging my knuckles on the floor) that some people might want to read about sex scandals ..but I cannot be convinced that anyone would have been saying "Oh, I wish The Sun had published a picture of 's funeral today, I really fancied gazing upon the faces of someone grieving"

I do too.

Me and other half are big Leeds United fans and have been shocked about Gary Speed's suicide at the weekend. As a result, we feel like we have something 'invested' in knowing why he did it. But the truth of the matter is that it's none of our damn business.

If our curiosity can only be satiated at the expense of his family - however small that expense may be - I would rather not know.

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 12:15

fascinating what he is saying about the debunked Jersey abuse story - that no one on a paper would have thanked a reporter who said "there is no story here".

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 12:16

Absolutely FV - there is a massive difference between the public interest and what the public finds interesting. Newspapers seem not to be aware of this (or not to care).

FantasticVoyage · 29/11/2011 12:17

The compensation seen as an overhead rather than the outcome of his unacceptable behaviour.

Quite right. Just take the Express as an example. How much money did they earn in dragging Robert Murat's name through the gutter? Much more than the fraction they paid towards his £600,000 settlement, no doubt.

NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 12:24

@davey

"here is a massive difference between the public interest and what the public finds interesting. Newspapers seem not to be aware of this (or not to care)."

It is because the public are prepared to pay for what they find interesting...

daveywarbeck · 29/11/2011 12:26

Oh I know, but it's circular - as what Shirley said about the funeral pictures. The media sets the agenda as well as responds to it. In fact I'd say the balance has firmly shifted in favour of the public being interested in what the media tell them to be. Which is why there are so many press officers and agents about...