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The Leveson Inquiry

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bananaistheanswer · 22/11/2011 13:58

I know there is a thread on Hugh Grant, but wanted to start one to discuss the bits and bobs that's been happening. Might be worth having one thread to cover this? Ignore if you disagree!

Anyway, was interested in a couple of things that have happened today. Diane Watson's parents giving evidence, not directly linked to phone hacking, but as general evidence regarding the PCC's toothless, spineless dealings with complaints about the press and their intrusions. Interesting and compelling evidence. Particularly as they have been campaigning on the issue for years, long before the whole phone hacking thing blew up. This is what the BBC have said they have been doing over the years because of their experience of the press at large -

The submission added that Mr and Mrs Watson had:

direct contact with the newspaper and the magazine (publications that they felt were wrong on what they wrote about their daughter)

complained to the Press Complaints Commission

contacted their own MP and MEP

engaged in correspondence with the Scottish and Home Offices, the Scottish Parliament Committee's Justice Committees and the European Commission of Human Rights

and lodged a petition with the Scottish Parliament on 10 May, 2002, regarding wider policy issues.

Their son committed suicide, with clippings of press articles written about his sister, found in his hand.

Moving onto Gary Flitcroft - had 2 affairs, tried to get the stories snuffed out, was refused and then was hounded by the press. He blames is father's suicide some years later on the publicity given to his affairs, resulting in a man who already suffered from depression, losing interest in watching his son play football because of the publicity his affairs got in the press, and then the chanting at football grounds which were too much for him.

Then, there was Elle Macpherson's assistant, accused of speaking to journalists on her private life/crumbling relationship, who was forced to go to rehab for 'alcoholism' as Elle felt she wouldn't have betrayed her trust if it wasn't for her alcoholism. She went to rehab, but then got sacked afterwards anyway. She wrote to the police on realising that her phone could have been hacked, but wasn't answered. Bizarre story.

The various QCs or whoever, commenting on the fact the Mail on Sunday have now attacked Hugh Grant on a personal level, because of his evidence yesterday, when it was supposedly agreed no attacks would follow anyone who gave evidence.

It's mental so far, the picture being painted (granted by those on the receiving end of the press intrusion) is just awful. Watched some ex NOTW journo on sky trying to justify the Mail's reaction, with a Daily Star Journo actually backing Grant in his stance re his daughter's mother etc.

It's all pretty gripping stuff.

So far, we have had 2 people mentioned as having committed suicide, which their families believe were linked to the press coverage of the stories linked to them. I am genuinely wondering how many more stories we'll hear along those lines.

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NormanTebbit · 29/11/2011 16:43

I love it. Twitter has, ' McMullen appears to be reading from a Chris Morris script'

FantasticVoyage · 29/11/2011 16:48

McMullan's also trying to implicate David Cameron in the whole thing. I really can't figure out what's going on in his head. Has he taken exception to someone trying to lean on him?

EightiesChick · 29/11/2011 16:53

Shock at McMullen. What a piece of work. Someone on Twitter said 'He's brilliant, just like a Spitting Image pig. Is he wearing a Trilby with a 'PRESS' tag?'

ShirleyKnot · 29/11/2011 16:55

Did you see the beginning when he started ranting about not being able to get a fire escape put into his pub? Confused

I think he's, and I'm being serious here, not a very well man. He's not acted normally since this whole thing started TBH.

Either that or he's just completely devoid of humanity.

EightiesChick · 29/11/2011 17:03

Hard to tell, isn't it?

bananaistheanswer · 29/11/2011 21:28

Just caught up with McMullan's evidence. Apparently, his statement won't be published until all the redactions have been added Grin I wonder what they could mean... I agree Shirley, he's either been affected by the stress/pressure this whole thing has put him under, or he just lives on a different planet. Bonkers. Only problems is, is he bonkers enough for what he's said to be dismissed as total bollocks? Or will his evidence be taken seriously? Talk about muddying the waters.

Grin at this tweet as well

News International must be just thrilled Yucky McMucky signed compromise agreement. £60k jolly well spent! #hackgate - from a former NOTW PR chief.

The gloves are definitely off. McMullan was almost spewing his guts all over the inquiry today. Implicating those who have thus far 'denied for England' as Mosley put it Grin.

Alistair Campbell tomorrow, I'll not be watching him in real time as I've a 6 yr old to entertain and I don't think she'll be keen to watch with me.

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Nancy66 · 29/11/2011 22:30

McMullan has always been like that - not a man on the edge. That's just what he's like

NormanTebbit · 30/11/2011 16:35

Well
Alistair Campbell seemed to be settling old scores. I thought Alec Owens was more shocking though - I never realised it was so widespread.

bkgirl · 30/11/2011 23:28

Forgive my ignorance but how does a journalist get medical records - do they bribe someone in the health centre/hospital or are they hacking into some medical database? Surely the directors of any company who did this should face prosecution under data protection laws etc?
Mc Mullan would terrify most people he was sent to harass/interview.If he is typical of a group of journalists then something seriously needs to be done....if you had been caught up in a tragedy and that weasel came to the door, how would you cope?It's not good enough to say the press can self regulate, many newspapers depend on this sleaze to get circulation. Do we just have to accept this treatment because of freedom of speech? It's just plain wrong.

NormanTebbit · 01/12/2011 09:00

I think that copying medical records is a criminal offence and certainly HCPs have to be very mindful of patient confidentiality. I've no idea how journalists obtain this info ... And I bet the editors involved didn't ask too many questions.

edam · 01/12/2011 15:35

bk - by using private detectives, or being offered them by someone who has access and should know better but fancies making some money. It's amazing how lax the systems are around medical records - at one well-known London teaching hospital, staff left one key card in the terminal all day, so anyone walking past could have a good old snoop. Of course, the people designing the system should have designed it around the way people actually are, how how they should be, i.e. working in a busy emergency department so not actually inclined to waste time fannying about finding a key card and logging in every time they need to access the system.

bananaistheanswer · 05/12/2011 22:51

OK, an interesting, if understated, day today. Potential major bombshell in the legal advice sought by the ICO when considering the content of Steve Whittamore's files detailing the information he obtained for numerous journalists. Francis Auldhouse didn't seem all that convincing in his rebuttle of Alex Owens' evidence from last week. He's shifted the decision made not to pursue the journalists/editors onto Richard Thomas, who gives evidence on Friday.

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Catkinsthecatinthehat · 06/12/2011 09:57

On a related note the family of the murder victim Daniel Morgan are due to meet the Home Secretary today. They strongly believe that he was killed by a person linked to the police and NOTW. A senior member of Scotland Yard staff is currently under investigation for preventing police taking action against NOTW staff who were harassing investigating detectives.

This is why when people say 'are you happy that police are being dragged away from serious investigations to look at phone hacking?' I'm happy to say 'yes'. A huge culture of corruption has grown up, with the press and police in cahoots, and often involved in serious offences, with a political class too cowed to take them on.

limitedperiodonly · 06/12/2011 12:40

Completely agree with your point catkins. A lot of people want to make it all about hacking silly celebrities' phones to avoid scrutiny of police corruption.

I make exactly the same point as you when asked why I care about Sienna Miller. Usually, they look at me and go: 'Eh? I never knew that.'

Yeah, well, you wouldn't if you don't read the right papers and websites.

btw I also tell them care about Sienna Miller. Phone surveillance is vile as well as being a serious offence.

I really hope people go to jail over this and not just the little people in newsrooms who do what their editors tell them or else.

NormanTebbit · 06/12/2011 16:00

Sadly it's always those on the lowest ring who get the blame (and the bullet)

bananaistheanswer · 15/12/2011 22:00

Well, been busy with the usual xmas stuff, but been keeping an eye on the recent evidence being given by NOTW staff. It's looking like Ian Edmondson is being placed squarely in the frame for a lot of the work being given to PIs. The evidence of Crone, Thurlbeck, Myler et al. has been fascinating and infuriating in equal measure. The limitations on what they can say, along with what they 'cannot recall' at various stages has been puzzling, but today's testimony of Derek Webb has been pretty damning to those who claimed to have not known anything about this, or who thought maybe someone else did. The whole 'that wasn't my responsibility' line has been mightily overused! The news desk and Edmondson are getting all the blame as everyone else was too busy examining their navels apparently... Julian Pike earlier stated that the surveillance that was undertaken of the solicitors acting for phone hacking victims was justified as they suspected some sort of alleged unprofessional conduct, yet now Derek Webb has stated he was asked to find evidence that they were having an affair. Derek Webb is also stating that there was no change in his working patterns/assignments after Myler joined, just after Myler gave evidence claiming that he did things differently from Coulson when he took over as editor.

Piers Morgan will be interesting next week, especially as he has been alleged to have brought the practise of phone hacking to the NOTW (granted it was McMullan who alleged this). The bloke who took the story to Morgan, and who was able to produce an invoice actually stating 'phone hacking' from Morgan's paper - it'll be interesting to see how Morgan will wriggle out of that one! He's got a lot at stake with his US career still in the early stages. Any whiff of him having anything to do with that, could be fatal IMO.

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bananaistheanswer · 20/12/2011 21:28

Piers Morgan. What a fud. Am I wrong to hope today's evidence will tarnish his 'shiny new' US career? There must be picture of his ugly mug in every dictionary, under the word 'arrogant'. And 'tosser'.

Here's hoping Heather Mills gets to 'assist' the inquiry in clarifying Morgan's evidence.

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limitedperiodonly · 21/12/2011 11:52

I would queue all night for a seat to watch Heather Mills give evidence

bananaistheanswer · 21/12/2011 23:20

limited, the comedy value alone would be worth queuing up for. Can you imagine the ranting that would spew forth? Mills has now issued a statement along the lines of denying giving Morgan a recording of her voice mails, but neatly avoiding the question of her possibly authorising someone else to pass it on. CNN are now asking for Morgan to respond to Mills' statement. James Hipwell really stuck the knife in deep, with his evidence. Obviously has an axe to grind, but does anyone really buy Morgan's 'i know nuffink' defence? Pfft. My 6 yr old is a more convincing liar.

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DeePanCrisPandEeeven · 21/12/2011 23:30

What's a bit sad is that none of the evidences so far can provide a basis for a criminal prosecution. It's been very 'qualified' evidence - of course this arena isn't dsigned to draw out actionable issues, but it it still frustrating to see so much smoke-and-mirrors being on display.

bananaistheanswer · 10/01/2012 22:09

Just giving this a bump so I can find it easier now that the inquiry has resumed.

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limitedperiodonly · 15/01/2012 14:22

I missed Richard Desmond's appearance but caught some highlights.

Do you think he was winding people up deliberately or that is actually the way he sees the world?

Caught his employees:

Dawn Neesom: stupid, nervous, bad liar. Embarrassing attempt to suck up to Leveson and Jay by repeating the 'we are a Jewish company' line. Even more embarrassing when she giggled and attempted to flirt with Leveson: 'my, what a big brain you have.'

Hugh Whittow: Do you think he was serious when he blamed the PCC for failing to stop the Express and Star libelling people or do you think everyone at Northern and Shell shares Desmond's persecution complex?

Peter Hill: No, you are not trial but you should be.

limitedperiodonly · 15/01/2012 14:23

Oh and that creepy adman or financial controller.

bkgirl · 15/01/2012 20:06

Ian Hislop on this week ;)
Cannot wait!

bananaistheanswer · 15/01/2012 22:10

I think Richard Desmond is a loon. Watching Jay incredulous at his suggestion that the McCanns were happy with the articles being written by them was fairly telling. The comments about the express leaving the PCC because they failed to stop them writing articles about the McCanns was just bizarre.

I was a bit disappointed in Kelvin MacKenzie, for such a vocal eejit he was a bit subdued. I think he bottled it, knowing he was under oath. Much easier to slag off the inquiry from afar than when you're swearing to tell the truth!

Paul Dacre is supposed to be giving evidence on the 6th Feb, so looking forward to that, but really looking forward to Hislop.

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