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The Leveson Inquiry

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bananaistheanswer · 22/11/2011 13:58

I know there is a thread on Hugh Grant, but wanted to start one to discuss the bits and bobs that's been happening. Might be worth having one thread to cover this? Ignore if you disagree!

Anyway, was interested in a couple of things that have happened today. Diane Watson's parents giving evidence, not directly linked to phone hacking, but as general evidence regarding the PCC's toothless, spineless dealings with complaints about the press and their intrusions. Interesting and compelling evidence. Particularly as they have been campaigning on the issue for years, long before the whole phone hacking thing blew up. This is what the BBC have said they have been doing over the years because of their experience of the press at large -

The submission added that Mr and Mrs Watson had:

direct contact with the newspaper and the magazine (publications that they felt were wrong on what they wrote about their daughter)

complained to the Press Complaints Commission

contacted their own MP and MEP

engaged in correspondence with the Scottish and Home Offices, the Scottish Parliament Committee's Justice Committees and the European Commission of Human Rights

and lodged a petition with the Scottish Parliament on 10 May, 2002, regarding wider policy issues.

Their son committed suicide, with clippings of press articles written about his sister, found in his hand.

Moving onto Gary Flitcroft - had 2 affairs, tried to get the stories snuffed out, was refused and then was hounded by the press. He blames is father's suicide some years later on the publicity given to his affairs, resulting in a man who already suffered from depression, losing interest in watching his son play football because of the publicity his affairs got in the press, and then the chanting at football grounds which were too much for him.

Then, there was Elle Macpherson's assistant, accused of speaking to journalists on her private life/crumbling relationship, who was forced to go to rehab for 'alcoholism' as Elle felt she wouldn't have betrayed her trust if it wasn't for her alcoholism. She went to rehab, but then got sacked afterwards anyway. She wrote to the police on realising that her phone could have been hacked, but wasn't answered. Bizarre story.

The various QCs or whoever, commenting on the fact the Mail on Sunday have now attacked Hugh Grant on a personal level, because of his evidence yesterday, when it was supposedly agreed no attacks would follow anyone who gave evidence.

It's mental so far, the picture being painted (granted by those on the receiving end of the press intrusion) is just awful. Watched some ex NOTW journo on sky trying to justify the Mail's reaction, with a Daily Star Journo actually backing Grant in his stance re his daughter's mother etc.

It's all pretty gripping stuff.

So far, we have had 2 people mentioned as having committed suicide, which their families believe were linked to the press coverage of the stories linked to them. I am genuinely wondering how many more stories we'll hear along those lines.

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chipstick10 · 23/11/2011 16:47

From the moment they first walked down that hill in luz with the microphones set up and delivered their first speech i felt an overwhelming sense of unease. And the more i have seen of them my opinion has never changed. No appauling press coverage, it was very favorable in those early days and i felt exactly the same then.

NormanTebbit · 23/11/2011 16:49

Oh god is this going to be hi jacked by madeleine onspiracy theorists?

lampli · 23/11/2011 16:53

Was it specifically because they had microphones set up?

chipstick10 · 23/11/2011 16:56

Not the microphones, that just stands out in my mind. There are people in this life who you take to, who you champion, who you feel compassion for in their plights, the McCanns leave me cold.

Frizzbonce · 23/11/2011 17:20

For God's sake. Personally I think the abuse heaped on Gerry and Kate McCann is absolutely obscene, and much of it is from smug parents who enjoy punishing them for in some bizarre way, letting the side down. Where does all this bile come from? Was it that Kate McCann apparently didn't cry enough on camera. ?She never showed any emotion?; ?Something?s not right.? Did anyone consider she might have been doped up on sedatives? She looked reasonably neat and tidy instead of presumably looking like a distraught mother is 'supposed' to look - wearing sackcloth and ashes and sobbing uncontrollably so the public can wallow in horror and excitement. And how dare they go jogging!

Kate McCann is the latest in a long line of women (Lindy Chamberlain was accused of being 'cold' - so was Sally Clarke who was torn apart in the press for wearing a suit and again being 'cold'. She was later exonerated of murdering her babies and committed suicide - enough emotion for you? And Joanne Lees whose parnter Peter Falconio was murdered in Australia - didn't cry enough on cue - was castigated in the DM when she refused to sell her story to them) All of these women have been punished and villified for not showing the 'right' type of emotion.

FellatioNelson · 23/11/2011 17:23

For not being weak women who couldn't cope under pressure. But actually women tend to cope a great deal better than men with extreme emotional pain. Sara Payne is a perfect example. I don't think that detracts from her living nightmare one iota.

NormanTebbit · 23/11/2011 19:45

I enjoyed this a while back

LePruneDeMaTante · 23/11/2011 19:54

I am a really, really hard-bitten cynical tabloid hater, and I'm quite shocked by some of what's come out.

It must feel good, in an odd way, to be given a forum to let some of this out in public, and let people know what has happened. It's completely bizarre that people couldn't say they were treated in ways that were literally criminal for fear of 'retribution'. Bloody hell.

PastGrace · 23/11/2011 20:05

Norman Grin. Are you au fait with newsthump?

LePruneDeMaTante · 23/11/2011 20:10

Grin Grin at those two links.

NormanTebbit · 23/11/2011 20:25

Oh i like that Grin

bkgirl · 23/11/2011 20:59

You know, no one will blame themselves for their stupidity than the mc Canns themselves.However, it did not make it ok for anyone to steal their poor child. Their treatment and trial on made up evidence has been a disgrace and has obviously tainted otherwise sane people into levels of extreme spasmotic vitriole.
You know we have gone to costa del type holidays several times with small children and frankly we even have in the same room/within feet at all times. That said we were unusual. Lots of british parents drunk heavily from 10am-ish till the small hours as part of all inclusive deals and their children ran unsupervised over large areas for many hours.
Indeed I was 6 months pregnant (and had suffered bleeding and was told to go easy) on one holiday and saw a child under the water with his feet stuck above the water in a rubber ring. No one was looking, I had to jump in and pull him out. It was only when I had him in the recovery position and he spluttered out water that the parents wandered over. They said nothing.
I am therefore amazed that more children haven't been abducted (with far more ease)...yet no doubt a lot of these same parents would be the first to lambast the Mc Canns.
As or printing that the child was dead, dear goodness - that was just insane. They had no proof and no moral compass to do such a detestable thing. I really hope that some day Madelaine can come home, although certain papers have done their best to destroy her little family. Ruthless, heartless fiends.

bananaistheanswer · 23/11/2011 21:04

Just catching up with today's events. Haven't watched the testimonies, just kept up with the Guardian Blog. Sheryl Gascoigne didn't come across particularly well from what I read. The McCanns' experience was pretty compelling stuff, how conflicted they must have been to need the press exposure but with the price of the level of abuse and intrusion they endured.

Looking forward to hearing what Sienna Miller has to say tomorrow, as well as her lawyer. The anonymous witness is an interesting one, wonder what their angle will be?

I'm surprised how low key James Murdoch's resignation from the NI board has been. I 'spose it's all just 'business' eh? Hmm

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bananaistheanswer · 23/11/2011 21:07

Sorry, it's just the Sun and The Times' boards he's resigned from.

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limitedperiodonly · 23/11/2011 21:24

My post has timed out which is probably good as the debate has moved on and it was ranty.

But does the OP or anyone else here seriously think Marie Claire was a reputable magazine with a rigorous approach to news gathering?

It was always the most obviously made-up shit designed to flatter its readers that they could combine an interest in eyeshadow with international affairs.

How can anyone honestly claim not to have noticed this?

LePruneDeMaTante · 23/11/2011 21:28

I dunno - I used to read Marie Claire in about 1992 and I didn't notice, but then I was 20 years younger.
I bought it for professional reasons the other week and I was totally gobsmacked at what utter shit it is. It's nothing like I remember. It bears no resemblance.

Hassled · 23/11/2011 21:30

My heart broke for the McCanns today, as it did for the Dowlers - and both couples showed such dignity. Dignity tinged with a suppressed fury - and they should be furious.

PastGrace · 23/11/2011 21:32

I used to buy it regularly about 5 or 6 years ago, because it had the right sort of balance between information and trash, but even I think it's gone downhill to the point that I won't buy it, and I'm only 22! I got a free copy in September and I was seriously disappointed.

I was surprised about Murdoch being kept so quiet though.

NormanTebbit · 23/11/2011 21:37

I think that's the whole point - we should expect more of our media. I think journalists should be registered and it should be treated as a profession like any other. But the media owners are the ones who should be answerable to this - they are the ones cutting resources, making redundancies all the while pushing for sales.

Look at the tabloids in the 1980's. Great political campaigning newspapers. Look at them now.

limitedperiodonly · 23/11/2011 21:39

Sorry OP. It wasn't you who started the Marie Claire thread, so my criticism of you is completely wrong.

Bit embarrassing but please accept my apologies Blush

I will now C+P in that time-honoured way of journalists.

But I might come back, if you'll let me

Jajas · 23/11/2011 21:40

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Nancy66 · 23/11/2011 21:52

I agreed with many points the McCanns made today.

However they seem to think that the British press should simply have ignored the fact that, for a time, they were the prime suspects. A state of affairs made official by the investigating police.

That was a sensational twist and the press had to report this. it's been one of the biggest news stories of the past decade - if the detective investigating the case goes on the record to say 'i think they killed their daughter and this is how i think they did it,' of course the media are going to cover that.

bananaistheanswer · 23/11/2011 21:57

Grin limitedperiodonly, I was a bit Confused at your post, but you are forgiven Smile. Easy mistake to make, and yes, do come back and contribute. All opinions welcome here!

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bkgirl · 23/11/2011 22:02

I thought aguidos meant person of interest not prime suspect..."Portuguese law makes a distinction between arguido and suspect".
Surely the equivalent is being questionned under caution which is NOT the same as being a suspect.
Also, surely the british press should have made some consideration/had some sense about the obvious inadequate forensics.
But as you say as a journalist if you think you are able to write about a sensational twist regardless of truth then you will print it regardless of the misery it causes. What a profession!

Nancy66 · 23/11/2011 22:08

They were suspects