MB and RAM: I do agree that policing, intelligence and the armed forces are necessary.
What I said was that it isn't for more money that people should be prepared to kill, although the US has that tradition in the likes of "bounty hunters".
Let me try to explain again: These forces are needed, but there is a tendency to extend their reach, and to take away freedoms, hence the police and intelligence agencies have to be watched. However we have seen that the most dangerous species is politicians. So we have courts, and I said somewhere (in another thread) that the landmark decision of the House of Lords has salvaged the lawabiding face of this country.
I would have liked to see your input on that decision. I provided the link, although it is very long.
What I have found is that despite having gotten rid of the Empire ourselves, our politicians continue to play power games with the lives of other people, towing in with the mighty US of A. And our armed forces are put in those countries to control those nations. That is what I object to.
The black and white in Iraq was quite visible from the start. We are, as you have said, no longer in WW-II, so we should be learning from the past.
Do you have any idea why the First Gulf War was fought?
Norm: "Peacedove this "nut" had a title as a leader of a group of muslims somewhere in the country. Do they routinely allow themselves to be led/represented by nuts who get airtime to justify the actions of other nuts?"
I suspect you are referring to the "alMuhajiroun" or one of its manifestations. Anyone can gather a bunch of loonies, and be declared as their leader. You will find a lot of fringe loony groups to which people pay no attention. The al-Muhajiroun was propped up as an Islamic group by the Media. Muslims by and large ignored it as a small group with little following.
"The "nuts" as you put it will always use the Quran's "valid cause" get out clause to justify their crimes against humanity."
The valid cause is quite well explained in the Quran and the Sunnah, and the mainstream Muslims have had no problem identifying the valid cause, but there are indeed extremist groups.
"I am however with MB/RAM providing in Peacedove's world all faiths are able to worship god in their own way. I also suspect that in Peacedove's world I would have other more frivolous rights (but still rights) curtailed somewhat.
From what I've found though, allowing all religions to happily co-exist with equal rights is not a mainstay of the islamic faith in an area where it is the dominant religion. In such areas it is often common for a religion based "justice" system to operate as "the state" and religion are not separate."
Perhaps you would care to brush up your history, and may I humbly suggest reading from unbiased sources.
"P.S. Doesn't peacedove slip up occasionally and let us know that they are male when sometimes they also state they have a dh."
Has he really? where did he say he had a dh? You are imagining things.
"The world should not be full of people who pretend to be someone they are not in order to try and find a platform for voicing their opinions and influencing others."
True, but PD hasn't done that. It is TB and GBW who are guilty.
"Highly contentious just for Xmas but have been up all night with vomiting ds and now we have trouble at the other end so am not in best of humours except with ds who needs cuddles."
I hope your ds has recovered. That explains how you have become misinformed. Rest assured that PD has never hidden his maleness. If you think he has, let us have some evidence. Fair?