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Joanna Yeates case - why is this happening at all?

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Ponders · 11/10/2011 17:20

It seems clear that he did kill her, & I don't see how he can claim it was unintentional, so why do her poor parents have to be put through such harrowing evidence?

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mynameischarlesthesecond · 20/10/2011 15:02

he has mkurdered her

definitely

wannaBe · 20/10/2011 15:12

but no-one has said that it was ok. Of course it wasn't ok and VT is going to do time for that regardless of the verdict, because he has admitted to killing her.

He is being cross examined by the prosecution atm

wannaBe · 20/10/2011 15:20

be interesting to see if his gf testifies in his defense.

ScarlettIsWalking · 20/10/2011 15:29

It is completely ridiculous story. I tried to kiss her misread her signs then had to kill her as I was shocked. The only natural reaction to his fabricated story would be "get me out of here away from this screaming woman" and leave building.

ScarlettIsWalking · 20/10/2011 15:48

And I don't mean to be graphic here, but to kill a young healthy person with your bare hands is actually very difficult. You will need to be forceful, sustained and violent. The whole idea that you can squueze someone in a panic for 20 secs to get the breath out of them is absurd.

kelly2000 · 20/10/2011 15:59

Also did they not say she had been pinned by her wrists, and had a broken nose - how did that happen. And if somone was strangling me, and my hands were free I would be scratching at their hands.
Plus I thought there was no sign of baking, which VT says she was doing when she say him (a stranger) walk past her window and invite him in. I do not know about you, but if i got home with a pizza, bottle of cider, and the weekend ahead of me and plans to bake, I would spend the friday curled up on the sofa with pizza, cider and a movie, and bake on the saturday or sunday, rather than rushing in, cooking pizza, drinking cider, and baking all within half an hour.

PercyFilth · 20/10/2011 16:14

I think 'baking' just means switching the oven on to cook the pizza.

I bet he did eat it, the scumbag.

Betelguese · 20/10/2011 16:24

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winnybella · 20/10/2011 16:33

His defense is ridiculous.

If, say, he tried to kiss her, she told him to fuck off and he took it badly and pushed her and she hit her head on the edge of a table, for example, and died...that's more plausible. That would be manslaughter.

The idea that you strangle someone and then basically claim that it was an accident Hmm

I've been following skynewsgatherer on twitter and tbh the impression I got from his questioning by both the defense and prosecution is one of someone very manipulative and not sincere in his regret (except for what the consequences will be for him).

I will be very surprised if the jury falls for his excuses.

PercyFilth · 20/10/2011 16:39

Yeah. And he's got a very selective memory.

Every time he's asked about something incriminating he says "I can't remember" - but when he was asked if he touched her tits in the flat he says "No, I didn't".

Funny that.

winnybella · 20/10/2011 16:40

Yeah, that too Hmm

EdithWeston · 20/10/2011 16:45

What was the actual cause of death? Was she suffocated/strangled, or was it vagal inhibition?

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chill1243 · 20/10/2011 17:17

I was suprised he went into the witness box. Pleased not to be on the jury.

MissIngaFewmarbles · 20/10/2011 17:58

I would bet good money that other smaller previous will come to light when the trial is over.

my personal view is that he's guilty as hell.

JanePumpkin · 20/10/2011 18:07

Oh this is hideous.

It was bad enough when no one knew who had done it, but the gloves are truly off now...

the man is on trial

he hasn't been proven guilty of murder.

I think this speculation and vicious comment is the sort of thing that belongs on the Sun website, I'm sorry...I know people are angry but you're making things up you can't possibly know.

I don't think it helps anyone. Can we just, well, keep to actual comment on what's happening, not wild theorising?

donnie · 20/10/2011 18:08

yes, I also think he will have previous.

JanePumpkin · 20/10/2011 18:08

and yes, I realise I was speculating yesterday as well...I'm talking to myself as well.

I wish we would all stop it.

PercyFilth · 20/10/2011 20:28

Well, he's not bloody innocent, we know he killed her.

SheCutOffTheirTails · 20/10/2011 20:42

Yes, ultimately it comes down to whether you buy that it is possible to strangle a fit young woman, who is fighting back, to death in 20 seconds without realising what you are doing.

I'm giving that a big thumbs down.

belledechocchipcookie · 20/10/2011 20:48

Cats the 'intention to cause GBH' bit on the CPS web site, I think that's due to things like a boxer hitting someone on a night out and killing them. Usually, a boxer would be aware of the dangers posed to others by his (or her) stregnth, and they would know that hitting someone on a specific part of their skull would kill them because they had received training in this. The usual Joe Bloggs wouldn't. The boxer would be charged with murder because he had more knowledge then Joe Bloggs so he would have known that his actions would result in someone's death, even if it was just a thump.

catsareevil · 20/10/2011 21:01

If the boxer knows that they would kill the person by hitting them then that is just simply an intention to kill. The bit about intending to commit GBH would be superfluous.

aliceliddell · 20/10/2011 21:03

yy elaine@ 13:59 ^ - the story is one long rape myth; women don't scream when a man they've been friendly to makes unwanted sexual overtures; actually we get embarrassed and apologetic so as to not make him feel bad because we are responsible for his feelings, obv.

belledechocchipcookie · 20/10/2011 21:07

It's not an intention to kill, cats. In any other case it would be manslaughter but they have been taught to hit differently. An intention to kill is the mental element, a boxer who lashes out and hits someone may not intend to kill them but it's likely that they will due to their stregnth and training.

EdithWeston · 20/10/2011 21:32

I did not think any evidence of intent to rape has been presented by the prosecution. Speculation outside the evidence is unlikely to be illuminating in prosecuting murder.