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Theresa May wants to scrap the human rights act

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electra · 03/10/2011 07:41

I heard this on radio 4 at the weekend.

Apparently it's something to do with 'foreigners taking advantage' - wow the tories have a nice way of sounding prejudiced against just about anyone don't they?

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onagar · 03/10/2011 09:53

14 years, 11 months and 3 days apparently

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electra · 03/10/2011 09:54

scum is not a word you will find that will describe a person, cookcleaner - I think you're the one who needs to use a dictionary (snort)

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cookcleanerchaufferetc · 03/10/2011 09:54

Absduwolef - not, not on crack, just intelligent. Join Electra and google it.

Indigenous people does not refer to the current make up of a country. It is historical.

ajandjjmum · 03/10/2011 09:54

electra
Sarcasm and silliness rarely result in good debate.

AbsDuWolef · 03/10/2011 09:55

Christianity didn't arrive in the British Isles until the 4th Century. And it originated in the Middle East. The people resident in Britain were pagans before then.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 03/10/2011 09:56

Electra, it is in the dictionary. It means a worthless or contemptible person or group of people .....

Snort - wtf! How old are you!

If you are going to play with the grown up girls, grow up!

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electra · 03/10/2011 09:58

British people are british if they were born here or if they've lived here long enough to apply for citizenship. Nothing to do with Christianity.

Some of you are trying to obscure the debate and none of you have actually considered how scrapping the human rights act will affect you personally. And it will.

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AMumInScotland · 03/10/2011 09:58

I agree with onagar - it's the way the act is being applied that is the problem. Basic human rights should be something we all applaud.

If there is a problem with the way it is being implemented, then that needs to be looked at and fixed. But you don't throw out the basics just because of that.

eg some people cheat the benefits system, and some of the rules encourage it. So should we instantly stop all benefits? Or should we find the bits that are the problem, and sort them out?

I know which I think is the mark of a civilised country!

MammKernow · 03/10/2011 09:58

Christians indigenous? PMSL! Did your historical research only start from around 500CE? Christians are new compared to e.g. the Celtic culture that predated it in Britain.

AmorYCohetes · 03/10/2011 09:58

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electra · 03/10/2011 09:59

I apologise aj, when I joined mumsnet 7 years ago it was full of intelligent people. I wonder when it went down the pan :(

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MammKernow · 03/10/2011 09:59

Abs - x-post!

AmorYCohetes · 03/10/2011 09:59

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AMumInScotland · 03/10/2011 10:02

WTF does it matter who is "indigenous"? Anyone who is in the UK should be free from the threat of torture, have the right to a fair trial, to an education, etc.

MammKernow · 03/10/2011 10:05

AmumInScotland, absolutely, thats what i meant!

ajandjjmum · 03/10/2011 10:17

So we must have joined at a similar time electra. Certainly are different people now. Still place for civilised debate though.

PetiteRaleuse · 03/10/2011 10:20

When I left the UK 10 years ago I suspected that the budding europhobia and xenophobia would get worse. I had no idea how much.

Maybe the Daily Mail really does represent a majority of the population. I thought people just read it to take the piss. I thought even the DM was deliberately being a parody of themselves sometimes.

This is incredibly scary news. Some of your attitudes towards foreigners and the EU is frightening.

Maybe the UK should quit the EU if it is full of people like Theresa May. Then you can go back to pretending that the empire still exists and that Britain is respected througout the world.

Makes me ashamed to be British.

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electra · 03/10/2011 10:22

There's nothing civilised about BNP policies. When I heard this on radio 4 my blood ran cold. I'm surprised if people can be so easily brainwashed that this would be beneficial for any of us.

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AMumInScotland · 03/10/2011 10:28

It's scary that people don't seem to have any understanding what the point of having a Human Rights Act is, but they know all about the cases where it has been used wrongly. Maybe cases where people have used it to protect themselves from oppression don't get the same headlines as the "criminal can't be deported" ones?

FantasticVoyage · 03/10/2011 10:30

The issue isn't the Human Rights Act - the issue is that we have a legal system that is an extension of a school debating society.

In our justice system it's more important to construct an argument that fits in with our adversarial system than it is to actually deliver justice.

AlpinePony · 03/10/2011 10:31

I definitely used the word "indigenous" when I shouldn't have. What I should've have said was "anyone who has got the legitimate right to reside on these shores".

I for one would be fucking "fuming" should "one of mine" have their lives ruined by someone who shouldn't be in the UK but could not be deported because it would infringe upon their family human rights etc.

will not expand on more than that am as busy - I hope some will understand where I'm coming from.

onagar · 03/10/2011 10:31

I expect Electra thinks I want to abolish the laws, but I said near the beginning the government's motives won't be about improving the way foreign prisoners are treated, but more about removing protections from the rest of us.

So I'm proposing we do replace the HRA with our own Bill of Rights, but to start with it would be an exact copy. Then debate each line publicly and rewrite it if we need to (or clarify it).

Yes we'd have a problem with the EU there, but I'm wondering what would happen if we said "look we'll do all the other stuff as before except for this. If you really want to replace us with Greece then good luck" I suspect the EU needs us too.

ScarletLady01 · 03/10/2011 10:31

I always through Christianity was forced on us by The Romans when they invaded?? Hardly indigenous.

Personally i would rather the HRA existed, even if it is abused by a tiny minority (and it IS a tiny minority no matter what certain right wing publications would have you believe). As many other posters have said, it protects everyone. If anything maybe certain aspects could be looked at so it's less likely to be abused...but do away with it? No way.

ScarletLady01 · 03/10/2011 10:32

always thought

AbsDuWolef · 03/10/2011 10:44

The European Convention on Human Rights (which is what the HRA brings into UK law - they weren't integrated into UK law previously) is pretty damn good (I think it's better than the US Bill of rights as it has limitations, so there's less legal protection for say, KKK members spouting crap and claiming their right to do so under the 1st Amendment).

So what are the Tories proposing - that the UK remove itself entirely from the EU (so it's no longer obligated to bring the ECHR into legal force in the UK) or just change the way that it is applied? Or haven't they thought that far?

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