An interesting post on FB in relation to riots

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Found this as the status of a couple of friends and people I knew a long time ago at school around the early 1990's

'RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!! '

Our school certainly wasn't the best in the area and it had a bit of a bad name back then so I find it interesting how my generation of average kids feel about this and I agree.

Way too many excuses are being made for the rioters, in my opinion it is sheer lawlessness and lack of respect for anything or anyone which I think starts at home.

The thing about these riots is that they just go to prove

''You went soft on immigration'' - is this a reference to the free movement of labour available to all EU citizens which increased substantially with the addition of the A8 countries in 2004?

If so, I don't see any relevance to the riots

There was a man on Newsnight earlier who said he was rioting because of the Poles. I think they mean that. Polish plumbers often drive me to nick a TV.

MJ, I had a friend (a bit older than me) who had a teenage daughter who did exactly the same thing, If she didn't get what she wanted she threatened mum with childline! She really went through hell and back the poor woman.

I'm not sure shmoz, But I do know that comments made by rioters on the TV today might indicate that.

Yes....and that one twinkly! (personally I think it is just an excuse, the poles actually work very hard and I doubt if we sent them all home all these rioters would suddenly take up all the jobs they left!)

twinklypearls

Good to know I'm responsible for these riots because I've chosen not to hit my child. Completely barking rubbish post that I get fed up of seeing on fb.

Well I think the argument is that the influx of Eastern Europeans has meant fewer vacancies for the jobless low-skilled young people here. Which is partially true of course, except I don't remember seeing many tracksuited rioting types queueing up outside Starbucks offering to work hard and be polite to people 6 days a week for 5 pounds an hour before the poles arrived. But they like to fall back on the 'The Poles have taken all our jobs' argument because it gets them off the hook when people ask why they are smoking weed all day long and bricking windows all night.

Its not rubbish though when a family business and livelyhood is destroyed by people who have no respect for other people's belongings. If someone burnt down your house - what would be your explanation for that?

Some of the people trawling through the courts today have jobs (all the ones I read about) so unemployment isn't the issue at all. I think it is just opportunist thieving.

Maybe they're just resentful because the Poles bring over their own weed and so don't help the British Weed Economy?......I mean there has to be some give and take.

I think that saying that this thieving is caused because parents didn't hit their children really is rubbish. I also think the MPS attitude of not getting involved is also completely rubbish - they should take the lead from their Manchester counterparts. The lack of police taking on these yobs is the reason that so many family businesses were damaged.

There were plenty of teenagers at home on the nights of the riots who have managed to be raised knowing right from wrong without being subjected to violence.

Here in norway it hadn't been legal to beat children for a couple of generations. So we must have a huge problem with rioting, right. Well no, actually. Do you really think this would have been avoided if only young people were beaten more?

I'll tell you something we do have in Norway, a lot less differences between the poor and the rich.

Opportunist theiving = lack of respect = lack of boundaries no?

Agreed but how does hitting children solve that? Respect has to be earned.

Of course there is going to be a big difference between a country with a population of 4.7m and one of 60m.

We are not talking Hitting or beating.
I seriously get confused when people don't see the slightest difference between a smack on the bum and someone being beten up - now tht is scary!

Saralyn no, but we just saw lst week the story that came out of Norway so don't get me started!

If it is ok to 'smack' your child is it ok for them to smack their friends, their younger siblings, their friends' younger siblings? Of course not but how does smacking equate to parenting by example? I was smacked as a child and all it made me think was that I would raise my dc differently.

What sanctions would you like? If you have child aged dcs at home you are in charge as their parent. If they are adults then you have the choice on whether they continue to live at home.

MJHASLEFTTHEBUILDING Wed 10-Aug-11 23:44:32
I would like to go back to the days when if a child was cheeky, you were allowed to say "dont talk to your mother like that", when other people opinions mattered, when the local policeman was a figure of authority and his word meant something, when people werent scared to step in an help.

I live in that world, I accept that I live in a rather twee village but I have not always done. I think bar a few inner city areas most of us manage to do the above.