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16 Months For Charlie Gilmour (Student Fees Demo)

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LemonDifficult · 15/07/2011 14:44

I wasn't very sympathetic to the rioters but 16 months seems a long time to put someone this young away for. Ridiculous. He'll get the fright of his life in the first few weeks and then what? What's the point of all those extra months - at tax payers expense.

I guess he won't do the full term, but still. It seems crazy.

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noddyholder · 15/07/2011 18:51

possession of drugs?

2shoes · 15/07/2011 18:53

just seen it on the news, seems he did get caught on camera doe more than one thing, so hardly a one off act.

LilBB · 15/07/2011 18:54

Even though the Cenotaph incident wasn't taken in to account it won't have helped. He said he didn't know it was there to honour the dead. I also dont think it helped that he was so high he doesn't even remember it. It makes a massive difference who was in the car, of course attacking a member of the monarchy is worse than a member of the public. I'm not saying it should be but it is.

Funny how a student who has been privately educated and will never face the dilemma of being unable to afford uni managed to undermine the whole protest.

moondog · 15/07/2011 18:55

Good.Silly little fucker.

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LemonDifficult · 15/07/2011 18:55

(One-off as in episode rather than crime)

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LorneMower · 15/07/2011 18:56

no but prison is not always rehabilitive is it? I agree its pretty pointless but sometimes its just to punish

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LemonDifficult · 15/07/2011 18:59

He's punished. One night, one week? One month? Incarceration is horrendous, this isn't likely to deter anyone, and he'll never do it again.

So why's my money being used to lock him up?

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Riveninside · 15/07/2011 18:59

How much is the tax payer going to pay? While police are cut and real thugs get to wander the streets?
Ho hum

moondog · 15/07/2011 18:59

'sometimes it's just to punish'

I find it staggering that you consider this almost as an afterthought. Hmm

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:00

Moondog i dont. And i do think about prison a lot :)
all sentencing needs a purpose though and punishment is just one of them.

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:01

i think some people there at the time would have thought he WAS a real thug riven. A key part of public order is that it scares other people. in fact afaik (not sure ) you cant be done for public order unless there is someone there to be scared/ intimidated.
on your other point, one person going to prison doesnt exclude others as our burgeoning prison population shows.

noddyholder · 15/07/2011 19:02

It is a huge waste of money! I don' t think prison ever works tbh but thats another thread.

stupefy · 15/07/2011 19:04

Good, serves him right, disrespectful little shit.

I hope rich Daddy is suitably ashamed.

Ponders · 15/07/2011 19:06

LilBB, I agree about him not needing to worry himself about the cost of education. I am a bit Confused though about him saying he didn't know it was there to honour the dead - I wonder whether, in fact, he meant that he didn't realise that what he was swinging off was the Cenotaph.

I literally can't believe that he wouldn't have known what the Cenotaph was for if someone had pointed it out to him when he was in his right mind (& I know that my reasonably intelligent, & much older, daughter walked past it on a trip to London without knowing that it was the Cenotaph).

moondog, I do hope when your kids are his age they never behave like silly little fuckers - you might have to shadow them to make sure Hmm - I think part of the division on this thread is between those who have kids of around Charlie Gilmour's age & those who don't.

noddyholder · 15/07/2011 19:06

If he wasn't wealthy and connected he probably would have walked away

moondog · 15/07/2011 19:07

If my kids swung off the Cenotaph and acted as appallingly as he did, I'd be the first in line urging them to be given a custodial sentence.

Utter prick that he is.

stupefy · 15/07/2011 19:08

We were all 21 once.

Ponders · 15/07/2011 19:10

presumably you behaved impeccably at 21, then, stupefy. Well done

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:10

yes i think we were all sillly at 21
he was VERY silly and not just once

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:12

He was threatening arson, was endangering life etc

and giggled in the dock - that wont have helped

stupefy · 15/07/2011 19:13

I didn't behave impeccably but I wouldn't have tried to set fire to a door, or disrespected police officers or the royality or swung of the cenotaph if my life depended on it!

He's a badly brought up little arse. he deserves everything he gets.

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:13

oh and did set fire to a pile of newspapers in the street

noddyholder · 15/07/2011 19:14

A lot of people took part though What happened to them? 16 months is harsh for 'silly' even very silly

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:15

look at the case law - seems quite normal.

LilBB · 15/07/2011 19:17

At 21 (or any age) I would not have swung from a memorial honouring the war dead, kicked in a shop window or attacked a member of the royal family. Yes weve all done stupid things but I think we all know where to draw the line. Those that don't deserve to be punished so that they learn what is and is not acceptable.