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16 Months For Charlie Gilmour (Student Fees Demo)

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LemonDifficult · 15/07/2011 14:44

I wasn't very sympathetic to the rioters but 16 months seems a long time to put someone this young away for. Ridiculous. He'll get the fright of his life in the first few weeks and then what? What's the point of all those extra months - at tax payers expense.

I guess he won't do the full term, but still. It seems crazy.

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Ponders · 15/07/2011 19:18

IMO what he said at the time was considerably worse than what he actually did (trying to set fire to a pile of newspapers isn't a serious attempt at arson)

I'm not surprised he giggled, he must have been mortified.

LorneMower · 15/07/2011 19:20

Busy public place. CHECK
Large group, CHECK
people put in fear. CHECK
Vulnerable victims,?
weapons,
fighting between rival groups.
Planning/organisation. CHECK
Racially/religiously aggravated.
Injuries/damage. CHECK
Violence towards Police. CHECK
Disguises.
Impulsive action.
Provocation.

Ponders · 15/07/2011 19:21

You will all be very lucky if all your children get through adolescence & young adulthood without doing something extremely silly, under the influence or otherwise.

moondog · 15/07/2011 19:25

Yes, and stupiod peopel doing stupid things sahould be punished, not just have their hair ruffled in an effectionate manner.

I would like to see how he gets on with 'the people' in the comfort of the prison.

Bloodymary · 15/07/2011 19:25

They are using him as an example, are they not?

He was a bit silly to get caught up in it all when it does not really affect him directly.

But he was caught several times on camera, so they had to make an example of him I imagine.

herbietea · 15/07/2011 19:28

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sue52 · 15/07/2011 19:44

Silly sod. I think he was a rich kid getting a cheap thrill from a mindless act of vandalism. I somehow don't think he was too upset about tuition fees. He deserves a custodial sentence for deflecting attention away from the real reason for the valid protest. Tosser.

usualsuspect · 15/07/2011 19:47

Its very harsh

lovecorrie · 15/07/2011 20:14

I particularly like the way he turned up in step-daddy's bullet proof car!

lovecorrie · 15/07/2011 20:15

because, you know, most students have bullet proof cars don't they...Gosh I know I did...oh no, I had a second hand bike...still that's easier to get around Cambridge on Grin

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LemonDifficult · 15/07/2011 20:25

What's his dad's car got to do with it? And how do you know it was bulletproof?!

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DesperatelySeekingSedatives · 15/07/2011 21:01

I didn't think he'd get a prison sentence at all but it was definately deserved. He acted like a thug. Same as the fucking idiot who chucked the fire extinguisher off that roof.

Rather than complain about the fact Charlie Gilmour's sentence is longer than drink drivers/child molesters/violent thugs- delete as applicable- complain that the sentences handed down to above list are way too short. CG's sentence shouldn't be shorter, but I can think of a few drink drivers who's punshments did not fit the crime, like that footballer who killed those two young brothers a few years back while drunk behind the wheel of his flash car.

lachesis · 15/07/2011 21:44

I agree with moondog, too.

A relative of mine who has a partner who, when his partner split with him, drank himself 4x the legal limit, took his boss's car and crashed it. He got a 3 year ban and complains he was made an example of.

Not a good enough one, IMO! Saddo. Should have banned him for life and chucked him in jail on top.

HHLimbo · 15/07/2011 21:46

Hold on a minute - what did he actually do?

And is a prison sentence of over a year REALLY a proportional punishment?!

Ridiculous! Have they run out of real criminals, or was it because he is well known and on 'telly, and therefore easy pickings?

lachesis · 15/07/2011 21:46

'You will all be very lucky if all your children get through adolescence & young adulthood without doing something extremely silly, under the influence or otherwise.'

I did loads of stuff whilst drunk, stoned or both. Wouldn't have crossed my mind to do what this idiot did.

Some people, they still find it in themselves not to behave like thugs because they are drugged or drunk.

lachesis · 15/07/2011 21:47

Well, then, maybe there should be harsher punishments for all criminal thugs across the board.

2shoes · 15/07/2011 21:54

he is a real criminal he broke the law.

LilBB · 15/07/2011 21:57

Saying such and such got this and he killed somebody does not mean this sentence is less deserved. It means judges should be giving larger sentences to those who have committed more serious crimes. The sentence for death by dangerous driving is 12 months to 14 years, it should be higher in my opinion. I don't know why judges don't give out higher sentences but comparing cases that are not for the same offense is pointless.

HHLimbo · 15/07/2011 22:06

So far I have: climbing, throwing a bin (which did not hit anyone iirc).

Would it not be more beneficial, both to the country AND to the young man, for him to carry out community service? Cleaning the cenotaph, pick up litter, for example. Putting things right, making amends.

I do not think a custodial sentence is appropriate, and has been badly misjudged.

niceguy2 · 15/07/2011 22:09

I'm actually quite shocked that some people think a custodial sentence ISN'T appropriate.

OK, so let's say you are driving down the street. Someone attacks your car, hurls a bin at you, smashes the window. All whilst under the influence of drink & drugs. He then smashes up a store before disrepecting the dead at a war memorial. The very people who died so he could have his right to "protest".

Would you want that person put in prison? I bet you would!

For those who say it's not an appropriate sentence....just what would someone have to do to deserve a prison sentence?

Sentences should both punish and deter others from doing the same thing. This sentence definitely does the latter.

Personally I hope he enjoys his time at his majesty's pleasure.

Ponders · 15/07/2011 22:13

\link{http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9128855.Talented_student_jailed_over_riot/\oh look, here's another} "real criminal"

he threw 2 sticks at police (who were in riot gear) Hmm

'Fernie, of Filey Terrace, Clifton, had previously worked for a range of charities and good causes, including Oxfam, York Environment Centre, Snappy and the Brunswick Nursery, a gardening organisation for people with learning disabilities.
But he was yesterday given a 12-month prison sentence for his part in the riots.
Fernie repeatedly wiped his eyes as he was jailed. He had pleaded guilty to violent disorder after handing himself in to police in Leeds following the national release of his face on a CCTV image.
The judge accepted other people far more involved in the violence had not been arrested.
Mr Stevens said Fernie, who works part-time for The Avalon Centre with vulnerable adults, travelled to London ?to voice quite legitimately his displeasure at cuts he thought were illegitimate?. '

Charlie Gilmour & Frank Fernie both handed themselves in. These sentences are ridiculous Angry

allegrageller · 15/07/2011 22:15

lachesis in this era of costcutting no one's prison sentences are going anywhere but down.

And I object to my taxes being wasted to 'punish' a young idiot who won't learn much from the experience, just so right wingers can feel like divine justice is being meted out to the unruly masses (i.e. the examples).

(Prison undoubtedly does not work, as any criminologist and more than a few judges knows)

allegrageller · 15/07/2011 22:16

know, I mean. It's late...my grammar is suffering along with Ken Clarke's budget

2shoes · 15/07/2011 22:17

niceguy2 well said