Iain Duncan Smith apparently thinks jobs should be offered to British people before migrants

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Surely he might as well adopt the BNP slogan?

Do people not consider that the sterotype of hard working eastern European is out of date nowadays, maybe the first generation to come over 10 years ago were but we've come across dreadful polish builders who were awful and served on holiday by appalling polish staff. Just as not every British teenage is not a waste of space. I do think they should have first bite of the cherry in their home country.

If you would see my stats above (BBC) you will see that the percentage of Poles in employment was less than UK residents when they first arrived 73% vs 70% and then dropped when they became eligible for benefits to 66%. and 31% are low skilled i.e. not earning enough to pay tax and prob in receipt of wtc, cb wtc so the state is subsidising the businesses

People work hard when they have to, when they can sit on their arse and get all the benefits under the sun, they will

there is a shocking amount of nationalities with lower employment levels less than the Brits despite what you hear:
with turks, pakistanis,bangladeshis and somalians all under 50%

It would be illegal, under EU law, for any firm to discriminate against someone applying for a job, JUST because they weren't British.

IDS and the government know this, and this whole thing is to try and deflect the argument away from the fact that this government, far from cutting the welfare bill, are now actually spending more than the last government, and there are more people claiming JSA than ever - and that's without this autumn's number of school and Uni leavers adding to it.

The BCC and the CBI actually want more immigrants to be allowed here, even from outside Europe, and as they have huge monetary influence on the Tory party, with donations, it's unlikely the government will ever go against what they want anyway.

The campaign against all sick and disabled is collapsing into expensive chaos, with wrong assessments by ATOS and appeals etc., now taking up to 9 months to be heard (and being won more and more by claimants).

I think this lot have truly lost the plot.

What bout Brits who go abroad to earn more money? I'm living and working in Shanghai, earning more than local people, because my salary is better here than in London. But that's clearly ok... because I'm white?

Why are people so surprised when "forriners" come over here to make a better life for themselves? It's human nature.

(By "here" I mean the UK)

I dont know what the answer is but its not just that British workers are lazy and dont want the work and I can attest to that.

When I lived in London I was rarely served in shops by English people, all my services like the dustman, and roadsweepers etc were immigrants - even the cafes I went into were owned and staffed by immigrants but thats not suprising as immigramts and EU workers tend to go where the work is.

However the Isle of Wight is different, the dustmen are English, the road sweepers are English the supermarket staff are English, the cafes I go are owned and run by English people (ok one is South African) when I swent to visit someone in a care home the other day the care assistants were English.

OK yes we do have a racial mix here and we have a large British Asian community who own several busineses, but by and large the island seems to be run by white British, now if British people were lazy and unemployable how come the isle of Wight is still functioning ( in its own sweet slow way) yes we have a great deal of unemployment here we are a black spot we even have food banks set up for the very poor but thats because there are not enough jobs and not IMO because the mainly white English residents dont want to work thats bourne out by the hundreds of people who turned out for an employment open day at one of the Islands Holiday camps I was with them and there were very few non-English at the event

On another subject my Sister lives in Hounslow and is looking for another job, she found a very good one which she was well qualified to do, however as a British Citizen who has never been abroad she doesnt have a passport, she does however have all the documentation required by the border agencies that an employer can show as an excuse for employing her, but she wasnt even considered, is this one way of employers ensuring they dont employ British workers after all EU citizen and Immigrants HAVE to be in possession of a passport to get into the country in the first place (if they are legal)

Im sure people are happy for wealthy and skilled foreigners to come, its those that place a burden on society and the numbers.

Clearly if we have a shortage of nuclear technicians I doubt many would not want someone to come and join GB but do we need to import carers? chefs for indian restaurants? the rate of unemplyment for Indians, pakistanis and bangladeshis here is
38%,57%,60% we should be training them up.

when graduate unemployment is at 20% its total bullshit to say Brits and too stupid/poor work ethic. They want to hire at piss poor rates.

People decry they wealth gap, this is exactly how the rich are getting richer, each year profits go up, managers wages go up but the people who actually made the money and did the graft get remains exactly the same because there is always a reserve surplus of labour to replace them.

We cannot bring rich peoples wages down we should be putting the workers wages up and the way to do this is restricting the supply/demand of labour

DH works in the care industry, carers are on £7ph, this is the same as 2007 rates, yet profits are up and the managers arrive for morale boosting meetings on ferraris. They continue to empty foreign workers with dodgy entitlements to work in this country/poor english and some of a certain nationality seem chronically tired with a huge turnover rate simply vecausethey are cheap.

If they shared the profit with the people who earned it and paid a rate that someone could support their famly, then people would stay, competence would improve, sickness decrease (many people call in sick to go to interviews lately) and the burden on the tax payer would ease then they Torys could reduce taxes

The simple fact is that the government can do very very little here other than speak words.

We're bound by EU law so we cannot restrict the travel of poles and other eastern Europeans to our shores. They come here willing to work harder, longer and for less money. As an employer, who would you choose to employ?

Any law compelling employers to consider British first would be overruled by the EU courts in a flash if it even managed to make it past our own parliament.

The only solution is to accept this is the global Market we play in now and make sure our kids work harder and smarter. And that means better education, training and less mollycoddling

'people don't pay taxes unless they have jobs'

er, yes they do - VAT for one...