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Little girl with cerebral palsy to be deported

102 replies

AKissIsNotAContract · 18/05/2011 10:50

www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/9032978.Deporting_little_girl_will_kill_her__family_say/?ref=mm

Such a sad story, hopefully with enough exposure she will be able to stay.

OP posts:
AKissIsNotAContract · 20/05/2011 14:44

'I think the op should realise this is a discussion forum not a petition forum, people will ask questions and not always agree.'

I do realise that and I didn't post a petition, nor have I returned to the thread until now. I haven't once complained about people asking questions or disagreeing.

Get your facts straight.

OP posts:
Nancy66 · 20/05/2011 14:49

If she is returned home will her birth mother reject/abandon her?

GypsyMoth · 20/05/2011 14:51

there are others posting claiming to know the family......netty,raniamuststay and greenmermaid......maybe more....they are posting stuff.

5318008 · 20/05/2011 14:54

I'm going to rewind here and say to greenmermaid that I am sorry for your loss. I feel your ire against the lady who had triplets is misplaced as the fact that the NICU had not enough beds is a hospital/organisation issue; would your ire be also directed at other parents with babies in the NICU at the same time? Because a NICU will have more than three beds surely

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 15:09

"LoveTIFFANYFri 20-May-11 11:02:02

oh actually the update is above by netty

she says rania was NEVER coming over for medical treatment.....they must have known she would need some..."

Treatment that Moussa and Jo paid for.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 15:10

"RobFFri 20-May-11 14:42:22

Why is she here, and not, say, France, which has colonial connections with Algeria?"

Because she is living with her birth Uncle and Aunt in England.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 15:15

"Nancy66Fri 20-May-11 14:49:26

If she is returned home will her birth mother reject/abandon her?"

I cannot speak for them. However its my understanding that her birth parents feel unable to care for her now and want her to have a better life than she would have back in Algeria. This is why they wish for Jo and Mo to adopt her.

HRHShoesytwoesy · 20/05/2011 15:25

AKissIsNotAContract there seems to be a few people posting here that know the family, and this isn't the only thread about this, sorry got confused about who was who, someone else posted a petition, sorry I thought all these posters were the same person.

Nancy66 · 20/05/2011 15:31

Ahhh poor kid, will sign yr petition. Good luck

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 16:23

Thank you Nancy xx

diddl · 20/05/2011 16:45

Obv, I don´t know why Rania´s visa kept being extended, but to me it does seem wrong that it was allowed to happen such that she has been in UK longer than Algeria iyswim.

Nancy66 · 20/05/2011 18:26

You need to tweak the spelling on the petition.

It's 'DEPORTATION' not 'DEPORTION'

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 20:20

"diddlFri 20-May-11 16:45:28

Obv, I don´t know why Rania´s visa kept being extended, but to me it does seem wrong that it was allowed to happen such that she has been in UK longer than Algeria iyswim".

From what I understand Rania's visa has only actually been extended the once (on compassionate grounds for medical assessment and treatment, as I said earlier). The HO took around 6 months to make that decision, asking Jo and Mo about their long term plans etc. After that, they had the extension, so by the end of that she had been here around 18 months.

Jo and Mo then applied again, and they took a further 6 months to refuse. They appealed, which was when the Judge ruled that the decision was illegal. He told the HO to look at the application again, which again has taken months. Which brings us up to the current day.

I would like to add another point about the adoption that I forgot about this morning. There is no technical need for Jo and Mo to adopt Rania, as they are family. They wish to adopt her for stability and clarity for everyone, but especially for her to belong as their daughter.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 20:20

Thank you again Nancy. Someone is now onto it. x

diddl · 20/05/2011 20:55

Well surely if they don´t adopt, then Rania is a visitor & could be deported at any time?

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 21:07

Thats not how it works by the sound of it, because they are family. If they weren't then it would be different. I'm not sure how this applies but I will try and find out and get back to you x

madwomanintheattic · 20/05/2011 21:09

er, the technical need is that she has to be their daughter to stay in the country. i'd say that was fairly crucial, it being the whole crux of the immigration case.

so how long has she actually been here in months now? (i've kind of lost track). it must be nearly 3 years, so almost at the point where adoption would be allowed?

fwiw, a child of 18 mos who was born prematurely and fed solely on milk, who had already been in a cast with scoliosis and whose parents were so exhausted by caring for her that they were sending her out of the country is unlikely to have been given a 'healthy' chit by a doctor who wasn't aware that there was a reason to need one, as opposed to one that detailed her medical history and ongoing difficulties. reconciling the picture of her first 18 mos with the arrival inthe uk as a healthy child whose difficulties were later discovered in their full extent doesn't really ring true.

this is the tip of a huge iceberg going in every direction - for british citizens trying to leave the uk and get into other countries, for people all around the world who for whatever reason want to live somewhere else, but have a disability to contend with.

it's awful. but this one decision will create a precedent. i have no idea hwat the answer is. (not talking about rania per se, but the hundreds and thousands of other people with disabilities that have already fought and lost immigration cases - most of them with equally harrowing stories.)

none of it is humane. but someone has to make the decisions. and someone has to fight for the right ones.

i wish you luck. but i do believe there was intent at the beginning, and honesty at that point would have made this situation avoidable. very sad.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 22:44

OK I think I understand this now.

The adoption doesn't need to go ahead from a social services pov.

It cannot go ahead from an immigration pov until they have decided and granted leave. Adoption itself makes no difference to status. You still need citizenship or leave to remain regardless of adoption. Does that make sense?

madwomanintheattic · 20/05/2011 22:51

as an adopted child of british parents you would have citizenship though. it's just doing it in the right order.

for example, we used to joke with dd2's godparents that they would have to adopt her so that she would get residence for canada. because having cp, that's the only way she'd get in. and we couldn't get residence either, having a child with cp. because they'd know we had a child who would be a burden on the state. (their words not ours)

i'm pretty sure it's the same in the other direction.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 22:59

madwomanintheatticFri 20-May-11 21:09:22

er, the technical need is that she has to be their daughter to stay in the country. i'd say that was fairly crucial, it being the whole crux of the immigration case.

please see my reply above

so how long has she actually been here in months now? (i've kind of lost track). it must be nearly 3 years, so almost at the point where adoption would be allowed?

I believe she is coming up to the 3 year mark somewhere around August if I remember correctly, but again, please see my reply above

fwiw, a child of 18 mos who was born prematurely and fed solely on milk, who had already been in a cast with scoliosis and whose parents were so exhausted by caring for her that they were sending her out of the country is unlikely to have been given a 'healthy' chit by a doctor who wasn't aware that there was a reason to need one, as opposed to one that detailed her medical history and ongoing difficulties. reconciling the picture of her first 18 mos with the arrival inthe uk as a healthy child whose difficulties were later discovered in their full extent doesn't really ring true.

Her mother was also struggling with a husband who had been involved in an accident. The Doctors report did not give Rania a clean bill of health, her CP was noted along with her squint. It was only with more sophisticated investigations did the full extend of Rania's difficulties begin to emerge along with the natural emergence of conditions such as epilepsy, which I understand commonly manifest themselves at different stages/ages. The latest one involving her heart (which stops beating periodically), has only recently been discovered, after much head scratching by doctors, expert in this field

this is the tip of a huge iceberg going in every direction - for british citizens trying to leave the uk and get into other countries, for people all around the world who for whatever reason want to live somewhere else, but have a disability to contend with.

I can't answer this one, as it is your personal opinion to which you are completely entitled to and I bear you no malice here

it's awful. but this one decision will create a precedent. i have no idea hwat the answer is. (not talking about rania per se, but the hundreds and thousands of other people with disabilities that have already fought and lost immigration cases - most of them with equally harrowing stories.)

agreed, it is very sad for all concerned

none of it is humane. but someone has to make the decisions. and someone has to fight for the right ones.

which is what we are trying to do for Rania.

i wish you luck.

thank you sincerely

but i do believe there was intent at the beginning, and honesty at that point would have made this situation avoidable. very sad.

again, this is your opinion and to which you are entitled. It is not my place to try and convince you otherwise

Thank you for a calm and reasoned discussion.

NettyJ · 20/05/2011 23:06

as an adopted child of british parents you would have citizenship though. it's just doing it in the right order.

for example, we used to joke with dd2's godparents that they would have to adopt her so that she would get residence for canada. because having cp, that's the only way she'd get in. and we couldn't get residence either, having a child with cp. because they'd know we had a child who would be a burden on the state. (their words not ours)

i'm pretty sure it's the same in the other direction.

This is the advice that Jo and Mo have been given by the Social Services and the Local Authority Lawyer

madwomanintheattic · 21/05/2011 17:16

it's not my personal opinion that people with cp have difficulty/ find it impossible to immigrate/ emigrate to different countries. sadly it is a (legal)fact. ditto with any other syndrome or condition which costs money and can be viewed as being 'a burden on the state'.

i wish it was just personal opinion, but as you are finding out, it's legal fact.

good luck fighting the system, anyway. are scope offering any financial assistance for legal costs/ advice? it's something they should be involved in, but i haven't been onto the site for a while.

NettyJ · 21/05/2011 20:31

Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood what you meant. I thought you meant it was the tip of the iceberg, as in the context that it would open the flood gates.

As for scope offering financial assistance. Not as far as I know, but I may be wrong here.

NotCastingAClout · 27/05/2011 17:54

Just signed the petition - good luck!

GothAnneGeddes · 28/05/2011 01:59

I've signed the petition too.

No One Is Illegal.