Woman allowed revenge on attacker -I am interested in your thoughts

WinkyWinkola · 13/05/2011 19:35

Bleee. This is a foul story. The man is a revolting specimen for doing that to someone.

But how is the state or the victim any better for doing the same thing? How does it make the situation any better? From sadistic satisfaction?

Twisted.

BooBooGlass · 13/05/2011 19:35

I struggle to understand it tbh. I totally get the urge to seek revenge. But to carry it out? I couldn't because that makes her as bad as him. And as the article says, she risks attack by doing this. Forgiveness is easier said than done though. Both will have to live the rest of their lives knowing what they've done to the other.

Choufleur · 13/05/2011 19:36

I'm just fucking glad I don't live in Iran. What happening to her if awful but injecting acid into his eyes is barbaric.

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HelloOutThere · 13/05/2011 19:39

yes i wonder if she will get the satisfaction she has imagined she would for 6 years, i think she would get more from his mother's offer for him to work for her for the rest of his life

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littleducks · 13/05/2011 19:41

I don't think I could do it to be honest...but part of me thinks that it is a powerful deterrant, as sometimes I am appauled by sentences here. Is it really so different to say the death penalty for murder in the US?

Hopefully she will change her mind at the last minute and he will have been so petrified by the whole experience he realises that horrific effect of his own actions.

HecateQueenOfTheNight · 13/05/2011 19:42

From outside the situation, I agree. It's horrible.

But I look at that picture of her. And I imagine that that's me. That's my life. Someone did that to me. And I ask myself, would I want to do the same thing to the bastard that thought he had the right to do that to me?

Yes. I think I would.

look at her, for God's sake. Look what he did to her. And it's all well and good being outside the situation, NOT having to live with what he did, not looking like that... and say that 2 wrongs don't make a right and it doesn't help.

But dear god. If it was your face? Your life?

It's so easy to be calm and rational and reasonable and balanced when it didn't happen to you.

I understand why she wants to do this. And I feel so sorry for her.

Choufleur · 13/05/2011 19:43

I feel sorry for her but whether she does that to him or not she will still live with a scarred face and blindness.

roundthehouses · 13/05/2011 19:45

i do get the revenge thing but its the way it is so calculatingly (?) arranged. hospital, syringes, no. of drops. I think I could understand more if she was just going to chuck acid in his face like he did her.

HecateQueenOfTheNight · 13/05/2011 19:47

Yes. It does sound terrible. It is hard to understand - from the cold calm outside of the life she now has to lead.

But if you close your eyes and put yourself right there. In her life. In her face. You can imagine the strength of her feeling.

BelleDameSansMerci · 13/05/2011 19:47

Isn't this part of Shariah Law as interpreted more widely than in Iran? Presumably the man knew this when he attacked her.

I absolutely wouldn't want that kind of justice here but he is about to reap what he sowed...

AyeRobot · 13/05/2011 19:48

It would be much better if she were given immunity if she ever did the same to him. She could then choose to do it or not. But still let him think that she could do so at any moment.

ZZZenAgain · 13/05/2011 19:49

heck don't know what to think of it.

vile this throwing acid over people. Bad in India/Pakistan isn't it? If it would be a strong enough deterrant although I don't like it, I could see it might be the means to an end.

Doesn't sit well with me tbh

littleducks · 13/05/2011 19:57

AyeRobot- i think the clinical set up is for the safety of everyone involved, I dont think giving her immunity to attack him the street (like he did) is a good idea, there could be innocent bystanders. He will presumerably be blinded but not suffer the horrendous ordeal she has, require 19 operations (with the risk of dying under GA each time) to repair the facial skin etc.

I would be interested what victims of similar attacks here think of this, there was that model who made a programme after she has been attacked iirc.

Ripeberry · 13/05/2011 20:01

She should inject it in his balls, at least he can't go on to abuse any other woman

SardineQueen · 13/05/2011 20:06

Good grief.

What is going (possibly) to be done to him is grotesque... But what he did to her is grotesque too.

Hecate's posts are good. Of course it's revolting and shouldn't be happening and it is barbaric and so on. But I can see that if I were that woman I might want to do it.

I guess maybe in Iran where people are still executed and beaten and all sorts, this sort of thing might be easier to do? If you live in a society which still has a justice system like that it wouldn't seem so shocking? Like in the UK public executions used to be considered entertainment IYSWIM.

onagar · 13/05/2011 20:07

He should have been simply executed - painlessly and quickly. Revenge is understandable, but achieves nothing. Execution ensures that he doesn't do it again and although it's fashionable these days to deny it, acts as a deterrent.

Not that I'd blame her for doing it. But the state doesn't have the excuse of grief and pain affecting it's decision.

WinkyWinkola · 13/05/2011 20:55

If execution acted as a deterrent, then nobody would have been murdered before capital punishment was abolished in the U.K.

There is a big difference between revenge and justice.

activate · 14/05/2011 09:49

I don't think her doing this will comfort her in any way in the long term

I see the logic behind an eye for an eye -it's Doasyouwouldbedoneby - I can see that by having that as punishment some may think twice before inflicting terrible damage

at the moment - acid attack blinding and disfiguring causing pain and emotional anguish leads to a prison sentence

if before you threw the acid you knew it would happen to you too would that make you think twice?

I wonder you know I really do

I think if I was her - living in such torment I might believe this would make me feel better, avenged - but on the outside I don't think it will - I think it might lessen her as a person

still it's an interesting concept - an interesting biblical concept

makes you ask the question - we think we're better incarcerating people? but how does psychological torture of removal of self-will and freedom stack up against physical abuse?

lljkk · 14/05/2011 10:30

I think it will poison her soul to do this to him. But maybe she as already damaged inside, and lives in a society of corrupted souls, anyway. If it was me it would not make me feel better to do that to him.

Even before I saw her picture (wince) I did feel relieved that for once a brutal Islamic punishment was being meted out on behalf of a woman wronged by a man. And maybe that's the sort of deterrant you need in a brutalised society.

lol@ Ripeberry.

onagar · 14/05/2011 10:40

If fear of punishment didn't act as a deterrent why on earth are we being mean to criminals and spending a fortune on them when we can just say "don't do it again please"

Oh and deterrent doesn't mean "stops ALL people doing it".

HecateQueenOfTheNight · 14/05/2011 10:47

Yes, I agree with you, onagar. There will always be those who will do things regardless.

fear of punishment stops all those who might do something if there was no consequence for them.

so, while someone might kill even though they would hang for it, a hundred would not because they would hang for it. Take away the hanging and those hundred no longer have the fear.

While someone might kill even though they would spend the rest of their life in prison, a hundred would not because they don't want to spend the rest of their life in prison. Reduce prison sentence to 6 years...

Those who would never do it would never do it regardless.

Sort of related but obviously much less severe and significant but useful as an illustration - My dad tells me about corporal punishment in school. He says that there was a lad who used to get the cane. He was naughty. He was naughty regardless. He knew he would get the cane and he didn't care. So the cane was pointless for him. It didn't stop him. However, the other boys in the class, who watched him getting caned, my dad included) thought "bugger that! I don't want that!" So when you look at the broader picture - it does work.

AmIAPayne · 14/05/2011 12:19

Hecate makes a good point

SoupDragon · 14/05/2011 12:48

I think it is completey and utterly barbaric and puts them and her down at the same level as the attacker.

Is it so different from the death penalty in the US? Well, I don't agree with that either but it is, at believe, done humanely and without suffering

activate · 14/05/2011 12:51

the death penalty is done without suffering?

meaning the only kind of suffering is physical I assume

the psychological torture drawn out over years of the death penalty is quite conceivably as barbaric as this

ohmyfucksy · 14/05/2011 12:55

I do think it's horrible. But maybe it will act as a deterrent to other men.

I think it's the fact it's so calculated that freaks me out. If she just paid someone to shoot him I don't think it would bother me at all.