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Court backs decision to bar Christian foster couple

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hymie · 28/02/2011 16:51

Should Christians be stopped from fostering because of their faith/belief?

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Hullygully · 02/03/2011 19:30

Brilliant - thanks madhair

Grandhighpoohba · 02/03/2011 19:32

It's not about whether the views are state approved, it is about whether they are harmful to the child. Do you think that telling a child that they are unacceptable is anything other than harmful?

rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:37

Well, Hully, I suppose it's because there's a slide, a conflation, between holding a view: holding a view and expressing that view: and holding the view and expressing that view to the child.

So a humanist might be capable of fostering a Christian child, but having expressed his humanist views to the social worker, he or she might consider "insincere" his commitment to not influence the child, and might strike him out. There would be a good foster parent lost.

Take civil partnerships and religious marriage for homosexuals. This is a very fluid situation at the moment, changing fast; some people think changing ahead of social morees.

It's a minefield of opinion. I think it's very possible (though perhaps you don't) that someone who believes civil partnerships should not have a religious element could make a very good godparent. The "law" on civil partnerships at the moment agrees with them. A social worker might not. If a potential foster parent expresses a view on this issue, it could be right or wrong, and different again the day after tomorrow, it could entirely depend on the views of the social worker conducting the interview, it's so open to interpretation. That would be a good foster parent lost.

Someone might let slip they read the Daily Mail, and be questioned about views they hold accordingly, and be rejected by social workers who will not find it difficult to find a discrimination slot.

And the more and more cases there are like this, the more people will be put off. Not just the "rampant homophobes" Hmm but good people who know they can offer a peaceful respite and don't want to find themselves in a maelstrom of accusation and recrimination.

Sorry this took rather a long time to type.

rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:38

godparent Hmm foster parent of course

Grandhighpoohba · 02/03/2011 19:38

Great link madhair.

StewieGriffinsMom · 02/03/2011 19:40

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rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:40

Ugh.. just to finish. ..and the more people are put off, I'm afraid good foster parents will be lost.

You get paid for it, and unscrupulous people will say anything dishonest. We could be in a situation where lying and venality take precedence over the honest and altruistic in the foster care of children.

wubblybubbly · 02/03/2011 19:42

Interesting reading, thanks for the link madhair.

rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:43

Hully, I did take the time to give you your examples. Am hoping you find it more straightforward now.

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rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:48

Tbh I think that's rather idealistic. Good foster parents do it because they care: it doesn't mean that good people won't be put off by a heavily accusatory system on top of the paperwork. I also believe that as well as people being put off, you'll get a lot of people rejected: which is also undesirable.

rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 19:49

Anyway SGM thanks for a normal response.

LeninGrad · 02/03/2011 19:55

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rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 20:03

Yes: it does seem increasingly like this particular couple are going to be difficult to string up a banner for.

Still Lenin: I don't think we are really talking about subjugating rights. I think that goes too far.

GrimmaTheNome · 02/03/2011 20:05

Hope everyone reads Madhairs link.

We've been had.

The premise of this thread is basically misinformation by that Christian group.

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GrimmaTheNome · 02/03/2011 20:12

My impression from all of this is that we have some sane and rational judges.

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rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 20:17

Am not looking at the link but will accept what you say about it. Is it like the hotel thing, a deliberate attempt to expose or cause controversy?

SGM: it goes back to my point that there is a difference between holding a view, expressing a view and allowing the view to have an impact on the care you offer. Your use of the term "do not discriminate" I assume means actively discriminate, rather than hold discriminatory opinions?

The fine line between these three possibilities is not drawn by a judge at all: it's drawn by a social worker, who will also be subjective, and subject to the whims of changing social morees, or those of his or her boss, and so on.

Thus: when a foster parent believes the line to be drawn wrongly, litigation will, increasingly, ensue.

rightpissedoff · 02/03/2011 20:19

Lenin: you are right, there are no easy answers. Not only has the law on same sex adoption changed recently, the laws concerning issues, on which potential carers may be expected to have opinions, are changing too. This makes for a minefield certainly.

GrimmaTheNome · 02/03/2011 20:21

a deliberate attempt to expose or cause controversy?

The Johns may have entered into this from genuine motives, but
cases Christian Legal Centre gets involved with seem to end up feeling like that.

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