Lenient sentence for baby rapist

[Bugzi]

I have a daughter who is 14 months old and the following has upset me so much. I happened to see the headline of The Sun newspaper on Saturday and what I read has distressed me so much. It was about a man who raped a 13 month old baby girl. The sentence he got is only 5 years of which they say he'll probably only serve 2 years. I am absolutely appalled and shocked that somebody so unbelievably evil will be back on our streets in such a short time (even 5 years is too short, let alone 2!!!). The Sun have a petition which you can sign and send off for the 'sacking' of the judge who handed out such a lenient sentence which I urge all of you to sign and send off. Unfortunately, it is up to the Crown Prosecution to apply for a longer sentence - I don't know that a petition would help in getting his sentence lengthened. Any one with a bit of legal background who can help? If a petition would help, then I suggest we get going and make sure people like this cannot walk our streets again. This is the link for the petition www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2003412531,,00.html and if you'd like to see the man who did this and make a mental imprint of his face so that we all know who he is, then go to this link www.channel4.com/apps26/news/news_story.jsp?storyId=2030917 Sorry if this has upset you but we need to protect our children.

Sorry have to abandon this thread as am too upset by Bugzi's story to be able to think rationally about this subject.

Sissygirl I wouldnt put the Australian pioneers and convicts in the same boat. Sorry I find that remark offensive to Australians.

No offense intended doormat, apologies.

ok

How about letting them be in a room with their victims family for a couple of hours.

My FIL is a convicted paedophile who served about half of his sentence. This is such a horrible subject and I always feel physically sick when a story like this hits the headlines.

He interfered with several of SIL's friends and other extended family members and no one knew for years. I met dh just a few months after he'd been sent to prison and dh was totally screwed up. To be honest, it still haunts him and he cries regularly knowing that the dad he thought he grew up with is mythical figure.

I'm finding it impossibly difficult having this family secret. My mum knows, but if my dad found out he'd have stopped the wedding. We just say there's been a messy divorce and he's not on the scene.

The worst part is that dh feels obliged to keep in touch with him regularly. I wouldn't meet FIL for 3 years out of disgust. But he's dh's dad and in spite of everything he still loves him. The worst part is having ds in the same room as him, because I just die inside.

This kind of abuse wrecks both sides of the coin.

I agree, this sort thing tries families on both sides.

I don't think it's something that people ever recover from 100%.

You just hope dearly that it never happens to your own.

It doesnt matter whether they are your own children or not, the fact of the matter is that NO child should ever be abused.We have a duty to protect ALL children.

secret, your dh is probably tortured by (unfounded) fear that he might turn out like his father. My FIL isn't a paedophile but he has some dodgy values and my dh has a deep-seated horror of turning out like him. What a horrible burden for your dh.

IMO the death penalty is in order for these offences. It is sad but our children should be protected.

Firstly, I must apologise to SamboM - I didn't want to upset anybody by starting this thread but it is so important that we don't ignore horror stories, but instead use the knowledge to stop this sort of thing happening again.

Secret, I feel very sorry for you - you're in an awful position. I don't think I could bare to have my dd in the same room, that must be agonising!

I agree that they should be locked up and the key thrown away. I'd rather have them in prison and pay the extra taxes to be honest. At least we'd know where they were and that they don't have access to our sweet, innocent children. Although I do feel prison should be made a little more 'uncomfortable'. I think letting the family of the victim vent their anger is an excellent idea but should only be the beginning of the punishment. It should escalate from then on. As you say, the second they touch a child in an inappropriate way, then they have to pay the price which is to remove them from society for good. Our job as Mothers (and fathers) is to protect our kids and I would kill at the drop of a hat to protect my dd.

This person is disgusting. I have a 13 month old DD and to think anyone would have the desire to do something so awful to her makes my blood run cold. This person must not get away with this truly heinous crime, he should have got much more than 5 years. What sort of a message does that send out ?

I used to work in a GP surgery a couple of years back and once came across an article in one of the medical papers, possibly BMJ or 'DOCTOR'. It was a case file of an 8 month old baby girl who had been 'digitally abused' by her relative. There were photographs of the damage done to the baby's genitalia, it was just horrific. The poor little mite had to have various reconstructive surgeries and it was likely that she would never fully rcover physically from the attacks. Honestly, it is truly enough to make you terrified to allow your kids out of your sight.

No Bugzi, don't apologise, people should be aware of these things. It had never really occurred to me that someone would rape a very small baby and the thought of that little girl never being able to have children of her own and finding out why is just too awful for words. How does anyone ever get over something like that?

Have given dd (1 year old) a very big cuddle tonight when she came in. They are so precious and helpless aren't they, how can anyone hurt them?

I also read this at the weekend and the bloke said it was the pressure of working nights and providing for his family that made him do it..........Errrrr YOU WHAT!
A childrens charity worker said that the judge should be charged with aiding and abetting a crime when he comes out and re-offends. I thought that was a fantasic point.

On another point, we took DS1+2 to a miniture railway at the weekend and DH recognised one of the volunteers there from when he used to work as a prison officer. The man was in the sex offenders wing but DH couldn't remember exactly what for. I feel inclined to contact the railway/police/someone to say something but where do I start.

Janstar - that's exactly the problem IMO. He's terrified, especially now he's a dad, that this is all inevitable. His mum can be quite cruel sometimes (she's understandably very bitter) and when angry with dh, will sometimes use "you're just like your father".

Having now met FIL several times, I have to keep reminding myself what he's done, because he's just a "normal" man. But that makes it all the more scary.

Only one friend knows this, outside immediate family and I only told her because she phoned the day FIL got out of prison. I wanted to post about this ages ago. Nice to be able to get it all out anonymously.

This thread has made me cry. I felt physically sick when I heard this on the news. Like everyone here I am sick of a society that values the needs/rights of a child abuser over the rights of a child. Chemically castrate any b*stard who abuses children, they deserve no less.

i've just come back to this, have nothing more to say really apart from i agree with everyone. just get rid of them i dont care how but hopefully alot of pain would be involved. Since i had my dd a few people think i'm a bit obsessed by it, but having worked in that enviroment and heard alot of first hand stories, i am TERRIFIED of my dd even going to school. We even discussed home education but i felt it wouldn't be fair to cut out a huge part of her childhood(i.e school) because of filthy perverts but i am so so scared of letting go next year!!I have tears in my eyes even thinking about it!!

secret what an awful situation for you and dp. At least you "keep reminding yourself" what this man has done and don't let him lull you into a false sense of security. I can't begin to imagine how hard that is for you

EmmaTMG - if your dh is sure of his facts then someone should be told. There is a register of paedophiles now I believe and convicted paedophiles are not allowed to work in occupations where they would come into contact with children - think that volunteering is a slightly grey area but not sure. Maybe contact Citizens Advice Bureau as a starting point.

EmmaTMG get dh to go to the police and he can warn them of his concerns of this volunteer. He will have more clout as he was an ex prison officer. The police then could run a police check on this volunteer. The volunteer might not of done this sort of crime but better safe than sorry.

Anybody seen the news today? Our wonderful judge has given a drug dealer 14 years!!! Nice to know what he thinks about the value of our children lives! Whilst i understand a drug dealer should get a tough sentence, I can't see how he thinks this person is worse than the sick b**tard that raped a 13 month old. Drug dealers only supply what the addicts want. Our babies don't ask to be raped and abused. I think the judge should be charged with aiding and abetting a crime, as EmmaTMG said. He also apparently sentenced a man who had abused a 6 year old little girl over a 12 month period to life. Now that's what I call a decent sentence! So how is the rape of a 13 month old baby girl deamed to be such a lesser offence, that he only got 5 years of which he'll probably only serve 2!!!!!!!!!!!! How can he get away with this?!?! Surely something can be done. As a friend of mine said, perhaps he'll get murdered in prison. Let's hope so.

I think that anyone committing a 'major' crime, eg paedophiles, murderers, rapists etc should be castrated and sent to separate towns (to live with their own kind!), with those electronic tag thingys so you'd know if they escaped or took the tag off. They should have to produce stuff that would be sold to buy the basics they needed, just like any other community, or they'd starve (their own fault). Then the only people they could hurt would be each other and they wouldn't be able to bring any kids into the situation. And if they've already got kids who have got no-one else to care for them, they'd be better off in care anyway.

That way the taxpayer wouldn't have to pay anything (after the initial set-up costs) for their upkeep and we could even rip them off big style, to give money back to the country. There's loads of space in Scotland where it could be done (sorry to anyone who lives there) and the towns could be miles away from anyone else. If you want to be really fair, just pick a spot, set up the electric tag and barrier systems then leave them to build their own shelters etc.

This is the best alternative I can come up with, other than capital punishment. Also, the leftover prisons could be used temporarily as doss houses, solving the homeless problem, and then turned into something useful (offices, museums etc).

I really REALLY wish this was going to be put into practice but as a country we're too soft on criminals. (or we could just send them to some Far Eastern country where they'll get everything chopped off just for giving someone a funny look!!!)

These people CAN'T be cured - they "fancy" children and it is impossible for them not to - it's like telling a heterosexual not to fancy the opposite sex. I can't see any option other than castration. How on earth can someone rape a baby for christ sakes??? I find it incomprehensable that there are people like this out there preying on innocent children and that the law considers these freaks feelings before children's safety.

Okay so this judge gave such a ridiculous sentence because of background reports saying the swine was "a good person" or some such nonsense.

Fair enough, that may be the case with adults or how he behaves to everyone else but I would like to sit this judge down and everytime he gives an excuse repeat HE RAPED A 13-MONTH-OLD BABY!!!! Maybe it would eventually sink in.

It is an emotive subject but that is only because the paedos know there is no cure. Of course they will behave when in prison there are no children there!

When I was younger (18) I worked in a childrens hospital on a ward that dealt with several different kinds of patients (diabetics, eczema and social cases.) Quite a different mix. There were these 16 month old twins (boy and girl) that came in for some reason (a skin condition I think.) Anyway I had noticed these red spots while changing the girls nappy and thought to say to the sister as I figured they were part of the skin condition (I was quite naive.)

There immediately was a fuss and being of a lower rank I just kept on with my duties. Turned out the girl's father was abusing her. When the sister told the parents about the spots (genital herpes which can happen anyway) the father thought she was accusing him and it all came out.

I had been my usual nice self to him - if I had known. I was physically sick after that and could barely look at the children without tears welling up.

I have twins of my own now, boys, if anyone so much as looked at them wrongly I should tear their head off! The law doesn't protect children so why can't the mothers?

It seems so simple to me. Any offence of this nature ought to result in a mandatory life sentence (with life meaning life). It's just too much of a risk to allow someone who has done such a thing back into the community again. We should be protecting our children, and instead we seem more concerned with the rights of these monsters.

Mind you, I think that there is a lot of difference between someone who realises that they "fancy" young children, realises that this is socially unacceptable and just plain wrong and thus avoids close contact with children, and someone who acts on that attraction in some way (either by viewing porn or by actually molesting children). just because someone has that initial attraction thing, doesn't make them intrinsically evil - only if they act upon it.

Just a thought.