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Amy Houston - 12-yr-old girl killed by illegal immigrant from Iraq who has now been granted permission to stay here

43 replies

Ponders · 16/12/2010 22:21

Apparently this hasn't been mentioned on MN before?

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Amy was killed in 2003. The driver who killed her, who had other criminal activity on his record, should have been deported years ago, but has repeatedly appealed against deportation, & now he has a family with a British woman (although he does not live with them) his deportation has been cancelled.

"his human rights would be impinged if he was sent back to Iraq"

oh, ok then

How is this acceptable, legally or morally?

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MerrilyDefective · 16/12/2010 22:26

Same as the boy/man who killed the headmaster Phillip Lawrence.
Some twaddle about HIS right to a family life

Booandpops · 16/12/2010 23:08

Sickening! I saw this onbeeb tonight. Just plain ridiculous. This man has no insurance license to drive etc a criminal record. Kills an innocent child wrecks a family I could go on. But basically is allowed to stay in gb. I despair of this country at the moment. I'm so mad about it and can't even construct this comment well!!

PaxoIsEvil · 16/12/2010 23:13

Something seems badly wrong with the system when this can happen IMO. Although I don't even pretend to begin to know how you fix it.

BrigitBigKnickers · 16/12/2010 23:15

I am insensed by this story.

His human rights?

What about the human rights of the girl he murdered?

What about the human rights of her family whose lives have been irrevocably changed by the actions of this murderer?

As ever, the victims of crime are unimportant.

I agree Booandpops I just despair of this country.

Kiwichick74 · 17/12/2010 06:25

I can't believe there is not more being done about this. This man has just been caught again driving disqualified. What sort of parent is he to his own children. There should be a petition against him as he is a dangerous man and has nothing to contribute to this country.

GiddyPickle · 17/12/2010 08:53

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tiredemma · 17/12/2010 08:55

its outrageous.

scumbag.

sarah293 · 17/12/2010 08:57

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bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:22

this is so awful. He should be sent back to where he comes from. It should be commit a crime you lose right to stay in the country.

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:30

and the letter by dc - shocking. He writes he understands the fathers pain as he himself has been recently bereaved. But the circumstances are different. His son wasn't killed by a criminal who was illegally in the country and now allowed to stay. I am so disgusted and shocked. Why can't the govt do something, why can't the even the queen throw this criminal out.

BadgersPaws · 17/12/2010 10:36

"Why can't the govt do something, why can't the even the queen throw this criminal out."

Fortunately the Government is bound to follow the law of the country, and you really really don't want to live in a country where it's not.

The issue is that the PM said he would change the law to allow people like this to be removed, he hasn't.

The Queen, also fortunately, can't do anything. The Royal Family are little more than token figureheads and we don't want them to have any real powers.

Blu · 17/12/2010 10:38

Since his claim for asylum was rejected, I cannot understand why he hasn't been sent back. Plenty of people with no criminal record, and who have started to live settled lives making a contribution to the U.K HAVE been sent back to uncertain futures, so I don't know how this can have happened.

Shocking.

But I a also horrified by the DM quoting (where from, I wonder?) that the poor child died 'like a dog'.

Blu · 17/12/2010 10:39

But why does the law need to be changed? Surely as a failed asylum applicant he can just be deported?

FGS there are perfectly innocent children incarcarated in Yarls Wood while the claims of their parents are merely investigated....

expatinscotland · 17/12/2010 10:40

He doesn't see his kids, either. Probably a good things, since he's a low life drunk driving criminal.

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:43

would the outcome of the case been different if it had been the child of someone in the public eye?

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:44

and why can't the queen refuse him as her subject?

BadgersPaws · 17/12/2010 10:45

"But why does the law need to be changed? Surely as a failed asylum applicant he can just be deported?"

The answer to both questions is the Human Rights Act which, the Judge has ruled, means that he should stay in this country with his family.

The HRA trumps most other laws, so it trumps the law that says that we can kick him out, so he stays.

We do not want the Government to be able to put itself about the law (and the cynic in me wonders if the Government has left the HRA act as it is knowing that this sort of thing would happen and people would support it being able to break the law when it wants to) and so the man cannot be kicked out.

Therefore the correct reaction is to change the law, or at least consider changing the law and let there be a proper debate about exactly what that would mean.

expatinscotland · 17/12/2010 10:45

It's more common than you think, Blu, for such a person not to be deported.

Once their application is rejected, then a removal order is issued, but quite a few abscond before that.

The policeman who was stabbed to death in Manchester last year was murdered by a failed asylum seeker.

BadgersPaws · 17/12/2010 10:46

"and why can't the queen refuse him as her subject?"

Because the Queen has no such powers, and we wouldn't want her to have them.

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:46

that's awful expat. I'm so disgusted by all of this and that nothing can be done

expatinscotland · 17/12/2010 10:47

'and why can't the queen refuse him as her subject?'

because he isn't. No one is unless they are British nationals. He is not.

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:47

badgerpaw - but don't people have to be subjects of the queen? couldn't she say no to anyone?

bluecardi · 17/12/2010 10:48

not a british national - ok. thanks foe explaining. Why can he stay in the uk then? Just can't work out why - even with the HR laws.

expatinscotland · 17/12/2010 10:49

He has not applied for nationality. And now, he doesn't have to. He's been granted indefinite leave to remain. He can stay here forever. And claim benefits, too.

If I were her father, I'd have a hard time refraining from killing him.

Of course, then the father will go to jail for longer than this guy did for killing a little girl.

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