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Scottish transport minister resigns over travel chaos

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borderslass · 11/12/2010 18:00

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gregssausageroll · 13/12/2010 18:32

Nope. Can't even order one. All deliveries to Scotland cancelled or on hold. Nothing to be had locally, not even a pair of wellies.

So you mean to tell me after being stuck overnight in your car on the M8 for 24 hours you'd come home and get your shovel out!

Doubt it! You'd say yes here but I doubt it very much!

I don't make excuses. We've done our best.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 18:39

Well, you don't know me then, sausage, because I've done far worse than that.

I was once on the go, in blizzard/whiteout conditions for 30 hours.

We ran out of water, too.

When we got back to the car park, we had to dig the car out of a meter of snow.

No deliveries at all in Scotland?

EVERY single business now closing its doors to Scotland.

Amazing. I'm in rural Western Scotland myself.

Post is still running. I got a ParcelForce delivery today. Got Calor through today.

But nevermind, someone else will clear it all out, seeing as it's impossible to 'gear up' for anything.

gregssausageroll · 13/12/2010 18:46

Good for you!

I've had one postal delivery in over 2 weeks.

We are rationing our heating as the oil deliveries are running way behind and we currently don't have an exact delivery date.

My amazon and disney store orders are not going to make it on time according to e-mails received.

My M&S order might make it.

If the bins don't get uplifted tomorrow that will be 3 weeks.

Oooh and I don't expect anyone to do anything for me - nature will take its course on our drives.

panettoinydog · 13/12/2010 18:50

The first bad winter, you don't know what to expect. Last winter - which was bad - I was surprised at how often my neighbours shovelled their driveway and road.

This year, I realised they were doing the right thing. Constantly, constantly shovelling the snow off the drive and the roadway, walking to dump it in your garden. So every fresh snowfall meant the job wasn't so bad and you had a chance to get out your house.

All the people moaning about it this year will catch on and just buckle down to it. Well, I'd hope so.

panettoinydog · 13/12/2010 18:52

Are you able to get to your local dump with your rubbish? That's what we've been told to do.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 18:53

Well, now you know. Next time, try to be as prepared as you can.

So many people abscond personal responsibility here in a way that's truly on its own scale.

It's forecasted again. Forecasted.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 18:54

You are ever the optimist, dog. :o

gregssausageroll · 13/12/2010 18:56

But in all honesty, we were living in Australia until just a few weeks ago so this is a bloody shock!

panettoinydog · 13/12/2010 18:57

Well, it did annoy me seeing all the buggers who'd parked their cars at the side of the road, made no attempt to clear their side-streets or dig away all the snow at the side of the main road where they had parked.

Get shovelling people!

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:01

BIG, fat fine for that in Canada for that exact reason, dog.

I've got both shovels at the ready for Wednesday, my old headtorch from my climbing days for after dark shovelling (starts getting dark a little after 3PM now).

Will fuel up tomorrow.

Everything closes quite early around here (except pubs) and there's little in the way of shops, anyhow, so we've had to learn to stay prepared here since moving from Edinburgh 3 years ago.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:03

Calor took ages, but they're like that even in the best of times. Hmm

panettoinydog · 13/12/2010 19:04

Wow! Do you use two shovels at once, expat, you fiend? Wink

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:05

First year we were on LPG, I ordered 3 small oil-filled heaters and another cheapo electric one from Argoose, as we had no open fire (the landlords had taken all of them out Sad).

Just in case.

Came in handy. The power fails out here sometimes, too, but it's thankfully never for too long.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:06

Hell no, dog! I find the nearest manservant and hand him the larger one, telling him, 'Are you a man or a mouse?'

prettybirdinapeartree · 13/12/2010 19:22

I agree with SGM that we, as members of our local communities, should take more responsibility for clearing the snow. particualrly when there are large, unexpectedly large dumps like this for which councils are unlikely to be prepared (unless you want them to pay for lots and lots of equipment that may end up never being used).

Dh and I spent hours both last week (after the first snow fall) and on Monday and Tuesday clearing our own driveway (shared with our neighbours), our neighbours' cars (they were way on holiday and only got back at the weekend) and the area in front of the house.

Groskaka expresses concern that she would be liable if she were to clear in front of her house and someone were then to fall. From what I have read, this is an urban myth: provided you do so sensibly (ie you don't just clear by, for example, pouring some boiling water over the snow), there is nothing you can be prosecuted for.

In terms of general preparedness on the motorways, it is hard to see how anything could have been done to keep the traffic moving, short of closing the motorways, as once the roads were filled with rush hour traffic, it was always going to be difficult to clear them.

Dh and I watched the weather forecast on Monday morning and got no impression of such a large snowfall. Indeed the Glasgow twitter page made specific mention at about 10 that the band of snow should be through by 11am - when in fact it was about 2 before it stopped (GCC also make the point elsewhere on their web site that their contract for weather bulletins is with the Met Office)

This letter in last week's Herald was intersting:

^"Allow me to pass on to readers of The Herald some information bearing on traffic conditions, especially on the M8 (Glasgow to Edinburgh) on Monday.

The previous Labour/LibDem Scottish Executive handed over control of major roads to private operators (Bear, Amey). At the time there were concerns about these contracts, which were based on milder winters and saw staff and resources removed, including snowblowing equipment. In 2006, still during the Labour/LibDem period of office, Bear outbid Amey to win the contract in south-east Scotland ? estimated costs of £51m-£82m over five years. This contract, negotiated by the then executive, is now in force. Last year, acting as Opposition in the Scottish Parliament, Labour wanted to remove £30m from the winter roads budget.

May Howie, Kilbarchan.">

I have to say, the one thing I have not liked about the recent events has been the very unattractive party politics that has been played. I have to admit to some sympathy for Stewart Stevenson: what I heard on Newsnight was someone who was trying to congratulate the efforts of the people in the emergency services (and not getting drawn into the blame game that the interviewer wanted to play). He did apologise afterwards (and in his resignation letter) for not having ensured that there was more effective communication.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:27

Whatever you do: do NOT pour boiling or very hot water over your windscreen to thaw it! Pavements, yes, windscreen, NO.

Yes, I know someone who did this and cracked the windscreen.

Get you a candlelighter now and keep it your care to thaw your locks.

If you have just water in your screenwash resevoir, change it now to something that won't freeze or add white vingegar.

When you carry water in your car for drinking purposes, turn it upside down so if it freezes it will do some from the bottom down and you can still drink it as the ice will be at the bottom.

prettybirdinapeartree · 13/12/2010 19:35

Even boiling water on the pavement can be dangerous - if water is then left there and forms a nice patch of black ice :(

Dh has just been out again putting grit out on the driveway as the cars have been bringing in snow on their tyres which are creating a thin layer of ice. We are now keeping a trug of grit permanently topped up so that we can "help ourselves". DH now kknow sthew location of all local grit bins (and some further afield!)

As Expat and SGM say, if you keep on top of it right from the start, it's no too onerous a task. Ours is the exception in our (long) street: the only one which is absoultely clear - but it makes life soooo much easier :)

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 19:42

I'm sure it is, pretty. I'd never considered it, though. It seems rather a waste of water.

Honestly, people, you have a day until the next round.

Get you a couple of carboard boxes and a bag of kitty litter and throw them in the boot of your car along with other gear.

Unwind · 13/12/2010 19:52

cardboard boxes, to be prepared in case of downhill sledging opportunities, I am guessing? Xmas Grin

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 20:03

And a handy double for getting your car unstuck.

Plenty of shovels here.

blinks · 13/12/2010 20:14

as an emergency services worker, at work we were informed in good time that there would be heavy snowfall so the comment about the council not knowing is off the mark. there was a severe weather warning for at least a week.

prettybirdinapeartree · 13/12/2010 20:37

Cardboard boxes in case your car gets stuck: you put them under the wheels to help get some traction.

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 20:44

Dig as much of the snow away first, with your shovel. Then put the cardboard.

If you need it, put kitty litter under and over the carboard for extra traction.

What's really hand is an old 9mm+ diameter climbing rope if you can get your hands on one, even a few metres.

They can be used to tow out a car stuck too far from another vehicles tow hitch, they are that strong.

I have some old rope that sustained a few or one colossal leader falls on them, rendering them useless for climbing, but handy for towing.

prettybirdinapeartree · 13/12/2010 20:58

You've lived an exciting life Expat - I'd love to meet you one day! Xmas Smile

expatinscotland · 13/12/2010 21:25

I'd love to go back to climbing. Once my youngest gets a bit older, I will. For now, I need to lose the 15kgs. I've put on since those days and get fit, then start with hillwalking clubs here to get the lie of the land, so to speak, before casting off on a rope.

'Heaven is under our feet as well as in the sky above us.' - H.D. Thoreau

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