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Pupils' right to one-to-one catch-up tuition ended

222 replies

telsa · 12/11/2010 09:07

Oh great. First they come for the students......and then the little ones.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-11718968

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daftpunk · 12/11/2010 11:13

How are children being 'punished' by not having one to one tuition? - "sense of entitlement" taken to new hights there...

earwicga · 12/11/2010 11:15

Perhaps the unemployed teachers claiming welfare will be sent back into the schools to do it for free. That's Big Society isn't it?

2shoes · 12/11/2010 11:16

when I was at school back in the dark ages there was no one to one to help parents pupils. if you were behind you did catch up in a group, so help was there, surely that has to be more cost affective than 1 to 1
but maybe it would be better if we just kept this and ,more teachers were made redundant!!

if someone is struggling because they are severely dyslexic, then they have SN and would get help through that route.

Decorhate · 12/11/2010 11:16

Err you are the one who said that

"If you'd rather spend your time watching Jeremy Kyle than talking and engaging with your kids - you've only got yourselves to blame when they start school barely able to count to 10. Don't expect the tax payer to fund your private tutor.... pay for one yourself."

2shoes · 12/11/2010 11:17

hope that makes sense as I think I worded it wrong

Decorhate · 12/11/2010 11:19

And speaking as someone who volunteers in a school, yes of course the thought does cross my mind that the children's parents could be doing what I am giving up my time to do, but I certainly wouldn't refuse to help these children because their parents can't/won't

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:21

I've worked with HTs for a very long time. Most are dedicated, hardworking people who want the best for their pupils. However, I trust some HTs to have beautiful curtains in their offices.....

Sorry, but there are some that will do that, or an equivalent.

And my point is that schools were able to identify the pupils themselves and apply for the funding for the support, no-one was telling them who it had to be used for or what they had to do with the time, but the funding was protected for that tuition.

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:23

"if someone is struggling because they are severely dyslexic, then they have SN and would get help through that route."

erm, for many pupils the 1-to-1 tuition is a big part of that 'help'......

A diagnosis of dyslexia does not automatically entitle a pupil to anything at all.

Litchick · 12/11/2010 11:24

I volunteer too decorhate...and it's been an eyeopener for me.

If you'd asked me fourteen years ago what the best way to imrove the life chances of the disadvantaged, I'd have said education all the way.

I bought Blair's education x3 policy wholesale.

Now, having my own children and seeing their school progress, and also volunteering, I am beginning to wonder if the education system can ever be effectively used to equalise children's chances. Is that just pie in the sky?

Can the state ever compensate for parents who can't or won't support their children?

Over the last thirteen years we have seen a record amount spent on education...a real investment...and yet the social gaps are ever widening.

I don't have any answers by the way.

daftpunk · 12/11/2010 11:29

Have I started arguing with myself already ? - bloody hell that was quick.

what I said was - it's the parents fault if their kids are thick ( unless medical reasons are involved obviously ) ... A child who presents himself at school on day one of reception - unable to count or do any if the basics expected - will be able to count before the end of year 6 - without the need for a private tutor. If a parent feels their child is struggling a bit and could do with some extra help - they are free to go and get that help from the private sector. All children would benefit from private tuition, However, the only ones who get it (free) are kids from homes where parents couldn't really give a toss and sit around waiting for every free handout they can get.

RustyBear · 12/11/2010 11:31

We have some beautiful curtains in our school... made from donated material by the caretaker's wife in here spare time. Now I'm wondering if parents are judging.

I'd like to see the research about the TAs having no effect, because it is so totally against the experience in our school - but then maybe we just have better TAs than most schools and train them properly, because they have a massive effect on outcomes (as acknowledged by the inspectors in our last two OFSTEDs)

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:33

"However, the only ones who get it (free) are kids from homes where parents couldn't really give a toss and sit around waiting for every free handout they can get"

Shock Am struggling to formulate a response, the red mist is rising.....
earwicga · 12/11/2010 11:33

dp - I would think most people agree with you that children should be sent to school able to read and count. Mine were and I was amazed that others weren't. But that isn't the childs fault. Isn't this why pre-school education is funded so children don't start school at a massive disadvantage? Why wouldn't you want the kids of useless twats to do better than them? Education is a part of this.

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:34

Rustybear, no don't worry I'm not always a judge of lovely curtains, only where money for SEN support was put into the general school budget which paid for the curtains whilst the pupils were not given any support.....

BeerTricksPotter · 12/11/2010 11:35

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ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:38

Ah well, properly trained TAs working with individauls or small groups on targeted interventions can have a huge impact. It's the general 'extra pair of hands' stuff that has no measurable impact. The research was done a couple of years ago, a friend has been reading up on it for an OU course.

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:38

Thanks BeerTricks

BeerTricksPotter · 12/11/2010 11:40

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ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:40

gah, it's 'individuals' of course - red mist distracting the fingers.....

wonderstuff · 12/11/2010 11:41

No doubt it did help some pupils, but I'm not convinced it was a great use of money tbh. This isn't the same as funding for children with SEN, this was catch-up lessons.

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:41
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ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:47

wonderstuff - maybe in your LA, but its use was widened so that it could be used for pupils with SEN and it has been widely been taken up that way here.

ClenchedBottom · 12/11/2010 11:48

BeerTricks - again, I agree, although I know some TAs can find it a more challenging way of working at first, they do then tend to realise that everyone is getting lots more out of it!