How awful Lilly Allen lose's her second baby at 6mths.....

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could someone please provide a link

I love Lily Allen and feel desperately sad for them. I can't imagine anything worse.

I lost my eldest son Jack at the same stage as Lily. He lived for two hours... I feel so sorry for her and her partner and family..........

Poor poor Lily and partner, they must be devastated - I am so sad to hear this

I love Lily too.

How devastating - poor Lily and her partner.

how sad for her and her family

Just awful :-(

Just seen this, such sad news. Thinking of them.

So sad

Awful for her. :(

Heard this at work on my first day back after my own mc, so so sad.

Poor her. How heartbreaking.

Why is being referred to as a miscarriage at six months. Not downplaying the horror of miscarriage (I've been there), but surely that is a stillbirth, or a very premature baby who did not survive. Seems to almost, I don't know, down play it.

That is so sad, sent shivers down my spine.

How they must be feeling I cannot imagine.

I believe that if the baby lived at all is called a stillbirth and not a miscarriage.

Lily, If you read this, I am so sorry for you loss. Life is horribly cruel :( You will be in my thoughts and prayers (((hug)))

Pre 20 weeks gestation it's defined as a miscarriage, after 20 weeks it's defined as a stillbirth.

MiasmARGGG, I don't think it's whether the baby lived. Legally, I think it's post-24 weeks and/or if they have been alive out of the womb.

Is that a new thing ? That wasn't the case a couple of years ago.

I do hope it's changed. To call the loss of a 22 week baby a miscarriage seems awful :(

Most reports I've seen just say that they have lost their baby, it may have been born alive but very premature rather than actually stillborn. Either way its all horrific for them :(

oh the poor poor woman, thats awful. x

How awful fo them both.

I believe that arses is correct re legal definition of stillbirth.

I don't know, Miasma.. The difference in real terms (as both would be as tragic for poor Lily and her partner ) relates to maternity leave/pay which obviously makes a big difference to someone who has faced this awful circumstance and doesn't want to go straight back to work. If you lose your baby before 24 weeks and it hasn't lived outside the womb, you have to do usual sick pay stuff (which would be recertifying again and again - weekly in my case ) vs being able to just take time off and tell your employer when you are going back on your own terms (more or less). It means that women who lose a baby at 23 weeks 6 days potentially have a lot more awkwardness with work.. they term them as miscarriage or stillbirth because of this difference, I think?

Just for the record,

^[[http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Stillbirth/Pages/Definition.aspx "A stillborn baby is a baby born after the 24th week of pregnancy who does not show any signs of life.

If the baby dies in the womb, is it known as an intra-uterine stillbirth. If the baby dies during labour, it is called an intra-partum stillbirth.

If the baby dies before 24 weeks, it is known as miscarriage."]]^

Now the semantics are out of the way, my heart goes out to them. They've asked that their privacy be respected - whatever has happened it will be an ongoing deeply traumatic experience that press scrutiny can only make worse. Having had 3 early MCs and a stillbirth at 8 months, the experience may be different but the emotional pain and heartbreak is the same. I hope they can find some peace.

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:( poor girl

Posted on the other thread before seeing this one. Awful news.

Absolutely tragic and makes no sense - so sorry for both of them....lets hope they get left alone to grieve and they survive this as a couple.