Preparation for mass exodus of poor from London

[SkippyjonJones]

www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/oct/24/exodus-poor-families-from-london

No, I am not joking.

A low tax, low welfare economy is much better at creating long-term jobs and growth than a high tax, high welfare economy.

Anyway, I need to sleep - after all, I need to get up early for work tomorrow!

Longfingernail phase out hb after a year what happens to the carers I'm already topping up my hb and it's lower than the 400 a week but more than the current LHA

But I struggled to find anywhere below it and that would take Hb oh tell lie did see a townhouse but unsuitable as would mean carrying ds3 up and down 2 flights of stairs and was full of mould which meant he Bern in out of hospital there fore costing the state more

longfingernails I'm afraid your grasp on reality is extremely slight.

Please could you answer sexybrunettemotherof5's question?

Also what would happen to families who didn't manage to find jobs? Umm, I know, they would end up homeless.

What would happen in a recession? People who had worked hard all their lives and paid their taxies would fin themselves and their families out on the streets.

People end up jobless often as a result of global economic conditions. It's not just the feckless.

No matter what kind of excellent personal planning you do, you - as an individual - can't stop bankers tipping the world into recession through their greed. That is one for government. Why should people on the pay for the bankers' mistakes by losing their homes?

On the contrary.

After the big re-evaluation is complete, I favour big increases in benefits for the most seriously disabled, and for carers.

I am not averse to increases in benefits elsewhere either. I do think there should be a big clampdown on long-term unemployment benefit though. Far greater conditionality should be built into the system.

The single mother with 5 children won't be too affected by the transition if it is over 20 years. As the children grow she can take on more work.

Though currently fair percentage use family to provide childcare but as granparents are working longer there will be no free childcare and people will then start needing to stretch their wage to include this

And with the cut in benefits for the working poor this is going to make it even tougher

you say your in support better benfits for carers but the goverment does not differ in the 30% they want to bring in or the LA rates for Hb either so it's going to affect us to yet. Your saying you believe in better rates infact they pay me carers which then affects my hb as it's classed as a wage ,some wage 34p a hour

Were on list for social housing yet they told me they have nowhere suitable less they ever build anything ,Ds is at fab special school which will help him with some indepedrnce and I'm near enough to my mum who helps out with childcare with his numerous medical appointments

If I'm forced to give up my house as can't afford to top up even more with the new cuts .Where's that going to leave us a family miles from any support living in a property that is not suitable for him

Riven that was problem I had when realised sp and had 4 dc then one with Sn was ekkk even my now good
landlord had big wobbles about it and that's with finding the deposit and rent in advance no deposit scheme for
us we did not qualify notthat many take it anyway

But won't deny there are some that can play the sickness skuve card ie my xh who gets incapcity for so called bad back since we split and claims for his gf and there new baby and gets hb etc

Yet were going to be punished for the minority that do fiddle it

I don't get this.

Are all you Londoners arguing that you want to continue the status quo. Do you actually like paying over the odds for rent? If the Government puts a cap on how much it will pay for HB then it will have a knock-on effect and reduce rents for all. Isn't that a good thing.
Or are you saying that you like living in this world that the Labour Govt created where people can't afford to buy their first house until they are in their thirties [bought my first house in my twenties under a Conservative Govt emoticon]

I'd back a rent cap, but not a benefits cap which is likely to force low income households out of London altogether and destroy the social mix which is one of London's better features.

If the chief effect of the HB cap was going to be to lower rents substantially I think we'd be hearing a lot more noise from groups like the National Landlords Association at the moment.

Purits no I agree 2k a week is to much but my rents nowhere near that not In a month and I'm still going to be capped even more

Think ic you was to look in your local paper at property to rent it looks good but if you was to contact them very few will take Hb and maybe 1 might take rent deposit scheme .So thoughs properts obviously do get rented out to private working tennants who can afford the rent

so where is the housing going to come from because in my experiance the few places you can find that take hb are in the worse state of repair and people are to scared to complain as there be forced out as landlord knows there always be someone that is desperate

Most areas háček capped already it's LHA rates mine is capped at £1050 a month for a 4 bed .I could not find anywhere other than said townhouse as pointed above which was in bad state and not suitable for ds3 that was only one within the large area I researched that take hb kind would not take deposit scheme

I top my rent up by £150 a month already and with the new 30% ruling that's going to be even more .

My H had an affair and performed so badly in his job due to it, that he lost his job, he also left me and 2 very young children. I wasn't working when he left me and lost his job. We'd never earnt enough to put savings away or pay for more then life insurance. So under LFN plans, if this had happened to me in 20 years once it had been phased out I'd have been homeless?

Moneys already tight i'm already only heating one room As can't afford to fill my oil tank then I'll put heating on for hour or so t heat the dc bedroom before bed not mine as radiators of and not front room as dc inbed

Longfongernails

You said after reevulatio. You reckon should be increase for carers well ty but Wtf am i meant to do in the meantime ??? How long reevulation going to take 3 , 4 years I'm already cutting back on heating and no I don't smoke don't drink don't go out and no I don't have a 42 inch plasma screen tv infact have one 20 inch tv so

The Tory Govt - who sold off the housing stock in the first place, then encouraged market rents (removing rent controls).

Yep my LA told me go find somewheres to rent private because we have nothing suitable for your childs needs so in end I did paying money up front myself I top it up now already yet now the goverment going yo cut back again yet still can't offer me la housing

And can we stop thinking Its only those who hb is 2k a week that's going yo be affected my rent is 1200 a month and that's capped at 1050 a month and be capped more so were not living the highlife in a expensive area

Plus there's going to be more deman on private places with councils now going to start charging at 80% of Market rate people going yo think bugger it pay bit more stat private for better areas so mire demand

if the governments aim was to bring down the cost of private rents and ensure people could buy their own homes they would do something about it. however, they leave private lanlords largely unregulated and are not building enough affordable housing.

the point they are making is like LFN said. if house number1 is rubbish and number 100 is good. an unemployed person should not be in a better or as good a house as someone working. they should be in houses from 1-10. thats it as far as i can see. it is bitterness, jelousy, pandering to peoples insecurity that those on benfits apparently have it so good when in fact they do not. it is a way of saying you dont 'deserve' a good home if you aren't working. it is ideological, it's not the cash or them thinking of bringing rents down. it is tories being tories.

So whose up for the challenge to find me somewhere in east Herts a 4 bed house suitable for wheelchair user so has to have least the bathroom and one bedroom downstairs for the new improved La rates of 900 a month must accept Hb and rent deposit scheme because I won't be able to afford money up front

i do not agree of course that poor people should be in houses 1-10. i think in this day and age, everyone should have access to good quality housing regardless of income and no one should be living below house number 50.

I think people are blindsighted by the 2k a week hb rent paid when infact very few anywhere near that even a month

Fancy sharing his place Riven

Lego

Yes I agree but some don't see it that way your end up with people living on caravan sites as homes

Oh and I'm now facing losing my home as need find £300 a month to top it up .Yet will cost the council a dam site more in b and b always saying they CSM find somewhere for wheelchair user so that's 4 kids and ne one room and ds3 unable to move around so b and b rates around £300 a week plus the strain and strews on my family

So infact there be paying more out when I'm homeless than they do now