So child benefit to go for higher rate taxpayers

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So says George osbourne on breakfast telly. Missed the details but sounds like it comes in from 2013!

Pag have you also seen it sems that CA is going to be replaced by a universal creedit and hencxe no longer available for partners of people earning voer the benefit amount?

not us (yet) but wouldn;t that add to this and be a doublle blow to caring famillies? . Nice one Georgy!

GO said he hoped people would do the sensible thing and not claim it pag. I think he is hoping not to have to claw it back, just not to pay it. Which brings me back to how will he know? If dh (HR taxpayer) stops being Self Assessment, (thereby ticking a box to say his dw (me) claims child benefit, how will anyone know if I do?

Completely agree that it was very deceiving to talk about the "average" higher rate earner, when you only need a few Richard Bransons to completely skew the mean. Median or mode would be much more representative.

Oh well, some serious belt tightening to be done.

Oh, and at "latte money"! We have one car, no extensions, buy value brand food, get the childrens' clothes in sales or second hand, I cut the hair of everyone in the family, no electronic toys for DH, very few clothes for me. Hardly the life of Riley! Stupid us for needing to live in the SE for DH's job I suppose.

Lenin if you send her round ehre I will give her a lift

Bollox to that, no tory bastard Governemnt )(apols to SWC who knows I think she's OK) is taking my famillies security with them. For a start we now feel we must apply for teh benefits we chose not to take as we will need the savings (under the limits by a long way) to cover the year before I can go back to work.

At some point i've got to stop trying to be MrsMoral and start protecting my own kids.

If you think about it, I expect that this will be something else that penalises sah married parents. Like everything else if you aren't married yet live in the same house with children and earn 43k each you will recieve it, if married with one partner on 44k and another on 10k part time you will lose it..................

I don't think it has either been put across well or researched properly. My CB goes into paying for childcare for dd when at work as childcare costs are high and we get no other help (no childcare vouchers etc, benefits of any sort yet). It worries me that it is only a short hop to stopping 12/15 hrs of childcare for a 3 yr old (which will help when dd passes 3) and then what are they going to start charging the middle earners (as I would consider the 40-50k to be in not poor and not rich!) for - school in general, nhs.............

We all know it is unlikely that any of us will get a state pension as the country is so buggered but it is slightly grating.

By just trying to police it to be fairer, they are likely to be spending far more than they currently are, it isn't as if you get the same amount per child is it? I think it just pisses me off that yet again dh and I are going to be targeted and yet we aren't rich, whereas there are some who will still recieve it and carry on with their lifestyle. (I would like to point out that I do work when not on ml but only part time, to work full time and actually bring money home I would have to have a considerably better paid job - on my current salary and childcare costs we would be paying out at least £250pm for childcare so I can work and pay tax, which I guess the cb would have covered but still...)

Sorry, only read the first couple of pages and we have moved on again, heY ho!

I knew there would be plenty about this on here when I got back from work

I put my hands up, I voted Tory. I knew that on a personal level I'd be financially worse off but was prepared to be worse off for the sake of helping the country get out of the mess it was in. I was pissed off with Labour for Iraq and the financial crisis and all the stupid quangos and audits and govt depts and stupid job titles and bureaucracy that waste money.

I work as a midwife. Since they've got in my pay has been frozen, it sounds like they're about to fuck up the NHS big time, I've lost £45 a month in child tax credit or working family tax credit (can never remember which one it was), it looks like I'm about to lose my job from March as the Sure Start centre funding is being pulled and now I'm going to lose Child Benefit.

Though it does look like the small business that DH works for may be about to go under so I suppose if that happens the silver lining will be that we will get Child Benefit still, ha fucking ha.

This is so cack handed its unreal.

Its not good economics or good politics.

I am Tory voter right to my core but really this is dreadful and sat here agreeing with people who are core Labour voters! I am actually embrarrased.

Labour politicians will drive a coach and horses through this CB cut by pointing out quite rightly that a couple on a joint 87k are still eligible to get it yet a couple with a single salary of £45k dont.

Its a no brainer line of attack and frankly there is no defence. There are 'some anomalies' said GO - sorry but that is not good enough. Tax and benefits have to be seen to be fair. Its what makes people accept paying tax and what holds society together.

Our family will still get CB but families with far less income will not. That is not right at all. By all means cut our CB, we can afford not to have it. You are right, someone has to pay more and take less to cut the deficit but dont hammer the struggling families trying to do the right thing by bothering to go out to work.

If anyone from Tory or LibDem HQ is looking in - get this sorted out!

As far as I can tell for those wondering if the Lib Dems are happy, some may not be but it's been the policy of the likes of Vince Cable since before the election that universal benefits like CB should be cut or at least taxed.

Someone correct me if I am wrong - but someone earning £44k gets to take home approx £30k (NI and tax off) per year
and yet the tories are capping benefits at £26k

So there are households out there getting in benefits what the rest of us have to work for!!! Many of whom don't earn £44k in the first place.

Now I know how they all have flat screen tvs.

mjinhiding, I don't understand why your work has frozen pt working requests - I would think for employers, people volunteering for a part time job and pay because of family commitments (or even other reasons) would actually be positive.

Also, your cousin's teaching assistant job might be quite vulnerable, I hope for her sake she keeps it but I know of councils here laying off the majority of their TA staff.

Absolutely MrsTittleMouse!! It makes me want to cry when I read that over 44K is the land of ambrosia. HA ahahaha!
We moved to be near dh work in surrey into an ex local authority house. To achieve that we are spreadsheeted up to the last penny.

I have that horrid feeling in my chest of dry tears. Latte money.....????
Why is the housing crisis not being acknowledged by the government? Our income has a different meaning than that of others in the country due to the vastly inflated prices here. You cannot universally give out? Then you can't universally take away either.

I am also writing a placard now on behalf of single parents who are not being looked after.
Its lazy - they can means test and cap welfare so why not cb?

scottie04 I don't think someone earning £44k would get to bring home £30k after tax and NI.

Currently dh earns about £42k but we will lose out as he receives a company car which is worth around £5k so his total taxable income is around £47k. Dh actually brings home £2,100 per month so per annum we have a total income of just over £25k net.

I'm being very cynical here but have they announced this because they know it'll get everyone's backs up, there'll probably be a mumsnets campaign or some such. Then in about a year they'll say "we've listened to our voters and have decided to only scrap it for children born after 2013" or some similar climb down and we'll all think they've done us a huge favour????

This is a prime example of why the entire tax and benefits system should have been scrapped and started again.

Fiddling about with an already over complex, expensive, unfair system will never make it better.

Why oh why did GO not just start again with a massive simplification of tax and benefits as IDS wanted?