at least three quarters of all men saddled with a desperate housewife/bovine earthmother secretly wants a boho broad like Miss Moss...

[emkana]

...according to Julie Burchill in the Times today .

I am probably a bovine earth mother in Julie Burchill's eyes, but I am 100% sure that my dh would rather stay celibate forever than sh*g Miss Moss, and as for Kate Moss's idea of fun... doing drugs, falling over at partys, neglecting her child and "dating" a pasty-faced drug addict... God, I'm so envious...

[motherinferior]

Like Aloha, I do fear I am a bit of a bore on the subject of my children and their schools at times...but suspect I'd be equally bored in the company of La Burchill being self-consciously 'outrageous'.

My partner's comment on stick-thin woman tends to be along the lines of 'I grew up in a country where there was a lot of famine. Give that girl a bowl of pasta'.

[WideWebWitch]

ha ha, good post Cam!

[Tinker]

I like that Cam. I too started to read the article and then got bored.

[monkeytrousers]

Oh Cam! On the nose!

[ednaferber]

It seems to have moved from a critique of the subject matter to one of the author. What did Boho Burchill want to be that she isn't?

She is making the point that once mothers, many become dull and boring obsessing over their 4x4. Having a good night out a la Kate Moss is out of the question,(school run tomorrow.

I agree( with Boho Burchill) that sometimes mothers can be very boring and if i wanted a night out i would no longer go out with Madonna but rather Ms. Moss. To be "aspiring" anything seems so desperate. Whether its boho or chav or bourgeoisie

[monkeytrousers]

Oh spoilsport! But the argument isn't worth taking seriously. Its just idiocy. She is an idiot. I think that's relevant

[Twiglett]

haven't actually read article because don't like her musings in general but have to say

why is the lifestyle of a parent perceived as dull?

alcohol and drugs and out all night does not make the world turn round

I find parents fascinating and the minutiae of parenting hysterically funny when told by the right person .. have you not read some of the wittier posts from mumsnetters

bollocks to this life where partying is the be-all and end-all .. take joy in the detail

so endeth the sermon

[ednaferber]

Some women can be all consuming about their children. With conversation that always involves nipple bleeding, nappies, stroller, nappy bag, taking child swimming, which school etc.

[Twiglett]

as opposed to conversations about how much you drank or snorted without falling over, how you vomited through your nose but still went on partying or the latest senseless fuck and his std I suppose

[ednaferber]

No of course not.

[Twiglett]

(ignore me I'm a smart-arse)

[suzywong]

has _ __?

[monkeytrousers]

Exactly Twig - the fallacy of the excluded middle. It's all tendentious twaddle! She has to be very desperate to attack women and children (the favoured prey of 'the fear' anyway) in order to back up her own fantasies about herself.

She would really benefit from having a look on MN.

Don't get it Suzy - though that's not unusual.

[Tinker]

mt - it's "has this thing kicked off yet?"

[victoriapeckham]

ednaferber, do you normally post under a different name?

[Caligula]

I don't understand why mothers are more boring than any other section of society. Intelligent people are interesting, whether they're mothers, party girls, accountants or whatever. Stupid people are boring, whether they're mothers, party girls etc.

It's not your lifestyle that determines how interesting you are, it's how you think and communicate.

[motherinferior]

I don't think mothers are boring; I think that parenthood is very absorbing, and that sometimes we forget that the absorbing minutaie of our children may not absorb other people as much as it does us.

[motherinferior]

PS just like anyone going on and on and ON about their work, incidentally!

[monkeytrousers]

Oh! Thanks Tinker ..

..and well said Caligula

[ednaferber]

I agree with Motherinferior. If this columnist is guilty of anything it is that she did not round up her argument with " However i recognise you get militant bores in every walk of life."

As a train spotter may bore to death those who are not interested in his all consuming passion. A parent can.

This is not to say that parent equals bore. It is to say that some parents seem to be well rounded enough as a person to accept there are and can be other things in life.

I don't follow Boho Birchill's career in journalism and i fear some of you may dislike her for other things.

I am commenting on this article alone. and tend to agree.

[Aragon]

I cannot bear Julie Burchill. Stupid, past faced pointless woman.

[Cam]

Tell it how it is Aragon

[monkeytrousers]

"I don't follow Boho Birchill's career in journalism and i fear some of you may dislike her for other things"

How did you guess Edna, she snogged my dad!

[monkeytrousers]

And my mum!

Mwwwaaahhhh!

[Cam]

Mt are you serious girl