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Kondoing away the chaos: Kondo thread 7 for yet more life-changing magic

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LinzerTorte · 07/02/2015 14:58

The Book: The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up: The Japanese Art of Decluttering and Organizing by Marie Kondo, Cathy Hirano

Summary of the process link from mipmop

Article of top tips by Marie Kondo

Thread 6
Thread 5
Thread 4
Thread 3
Thread 2
Thread 1

Tips and links thread

And BeCool's copy of Coughles list of ORDER from Thread 2 for everyone:

"ORDER TO DECLUTTER/LOCATE THE JOY*

Clothes folding by rummy
Books
Papers
CDs
DVDs
Skincare products
Make-up
Accessories
Valuables (passports, credit cards, etc.)
Electrical equipment and appliances (digital cameras, electric cords, anything that seems vaguely ‘electric’)
Household equipment (stationery and writing materials, sewing kits, etc.)
Household supplies (expendables like medicine, detergents, tissues, etc.)
Kitchen goods/ food supplies
Other (If you have many items related to a particular interest or hobby, such as ski equipment, then treat these as a single subcategory.)

KonMari stresses that sentimental items should be left till the end. So for example, when you are doing papers, don't include photos of your children, love letters, old school reports etc, leave anything with a sentimental connection for later."

*As discussed in previous threads, your order for decluttering and finding the joy/spark/recognizing may be different to recommendations.

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Zippidydoodah · 17/02/2015 19:39

Lions- I know my dc have FAAAR too much, and it is a bit chaotic and I feel they do get overwhelmed. Really need to sort it.

LionsDontWeaveLentils · 17/02/2015 19:53

Gosh, I forget to say. This is hear here. I needed a name change. I'm not some random interloper I promise. Blush

Iqueen · 17/02/2015 19:59

LionsDontWeaveLentils Well said!

My children also didn't have many toys and none that needed batteries or couldn't be used in creative ways. Lego was all kept in a bucket.

Excess of anything suffocates us and prevents us growing.

Iqueen · 17/02/2015 20:01

Ha ha, Hear!

CoolCadbury · 17/02/2015 20:20

davidtennant that would be me. I have stuck to MK's list. But I don't think you have to - whatever works for you.

Right, am ready to tackle the sentimental items. Will begin tomorrow.

JKSLtd · 17/02/2015 20:23

Agree Hear/Lions. It's getting back on top of things having let things go so mad for years that is the challenge I think.
When I had just ds1 and he was small i don't think he had too much. Not waaay too much anyway!
Then I got into ebay buying - so it was always a bargain Wink and we moved to a bigger house to the temptation was to fill it. Then had more dc.
And ds2 has sn so was always on the lookout for anything at all that would interest him. If he played with anything somewhere else I would search ebay til I found it.

Add in over enthusiastic PIL and I'm doomed GrinGrin

Old books all gone. All exiting dvds & CDs put onto one music magpie order and checked out. Need boxes before Friday to put them in though.

Anyone notice how I've been avoiding the bathroom??Grin

JKSLtd · 17/02/2015 21:06

Whenever I sort through stuff to go I've been using some plastic crates we bought ages ago. Dh just asked how many crates worth of stuff do I think I've got rid of.
Worked out at least 18!!
And that doesn't include and rubbish or recycling.

And you couldn't tell in most parts of the house yet.

DavidTennantsBeard · 17/02/2015 21:36

Well done then Cadbury!

I may not have stuck to the order but I am quite into the idea that this is one declutter to rule them all.

I think I am going to have to revisit some categories. The trouble for me is that there is sentimental value attached to items in many categories, eg household items gifted by my mum. The more categories I go through I realise that I don't need to keep things from each that remind me of her,

LinzerTorte · 17/02/2015 21:43

DavidTennant I've stuck to MK's order of categories, but she does say that if you're living as part of a family you should do your own stuff first and only then move on to the rest of the family's. Although I did the DC's clothes and books at the same time (more or less) as mine, I don't think you can be expected to get everything out in one big pile as you're hardly comparing like with like in most cases (we don't generally read each other's books, wear each other's clothes etc. so how many tops I decide to keep has no bearing on how many the DCs keep, for example).

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Zippidydoodah · 17/02/2015 21:47

David- it's working like that for me, too; I haven't strictly stuck to categories but am revisiting some and discarding more stuff. Mind you I feel that life has truly got in the way recently, and the clutter is growing rather than shrinking.....

Zippidydoodah · 17/02/2015 21:48

Ah linzer I did do mine and dc's clothes and books (not dp's obviously) so have stuck to the first two categories! Then did bathrooms and make up/ cosmetics, then started kids craft stuff. Random!

Zippidydoodah · 17/02/2015 21:50

Ps I'm going to try giving up mn for lent!! Will miss you all! Hopefully will have some progress to report on my return......! Happy kondoing ladies/gentlemen! Smile

lucysmam · 17/02/2015 22:03

I'm still lurking...on the waiting list for the book. I'll get a postcard when it's my turn iirc (maybe they've moved on from this though & send emails these days).

I did organise the garage at the weekend so I can see where the obvious junk is & the things that need putting back with their own type of things iyswim. Might crack on with that tomorrow morning for an hour.

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HazyShadeOfWinter · 17/02/2015 22:42

littlebird you can sell lots of books in one go through sites like we buy books.com. you do have to enter them individually but quicker than eBay. Also I think music magpie take books. We did this a few years ago when we cleared out a lot of books and cds but this time I have just taken to charity because there are fewer and I just want them out of house

Innocuoususername · 17/02/2015 23:06

david I've stuck to the category order (after a couple of false starts) because there is method to MK's madness and it does work. But I didn't get all clothes out at once, or all books: instead of a space issue it was more a time one for me as I'm Kondoing around small DCs and I didn't want to get out more than I could deal with in 20 mins. So instead of clothes, or tops even, I just did vests, then tshirts, and so on.

I'm sure this isn't as efficient as doing it in one big blast, but as long as you can get everything in the smaller subcategory out then it works just as well I think.

littlebird have a look at we buy books or Amazon trade in - I have to say though that you don't get much for most things, the best quote I had was for a specialist dictionary, fiction is probably not worth the effort.

BertieBotts · 17/02/2015 23:39

I really think the category thing is important so yes I have done categories, and would do even in a big house. I realise this is hypothetical because I live in a tiny house, though!

But this is my reasoning/pros and cons.

When you do one category, you know that category is done. That means you don't have to do the entire house in one go. I did my tops months ago. Trousers and dresses a few days later. Recently I did underwear. It didn't matter that I'd left it so long between categories because each category is discrete. When you do one area at a time, the problem is items move between areas. That means that you lose track of what you've sorted and what you haven't. When I know that I've done ALL of my tops, I don't have to think about tops again. In fact, when I go to bring a new top into the house, I think about it more carefully.

Yes, it takes longer every time to go through the entire house, checking under things, in little nooks and crannies etc to find stray items, for clothes I also made sure none of that category was in the washing machine (which did mean sorting some wet or dirty items in with the clean ones, I just piled them separately.), in the loft etc for other items like books. However, to have every thing out of your category in front of you allows you to firstly, see what you actually have and secondly, choose and prioritise much better. When you can see you have two yellow t-shirts, you remember "I love this colour on me, oh, but this one has a really annoying seam." If you hadn't had both of them there, you might have overlooked the seam in favour of the colour. That's a random example, but hopefully you get what I mean.

I would not do, for example, everybody's tops at once. One person's tops. Further dividing into subcategories is a good idea too, I like that, if you're short on time. (Though IME it's worth allowing the time to 1. find everything (EVERYTHING.) 2. discard 3. put everything surviving away, even if it's months until you have the opportunity to do this.)

In my experience, items and even areas stay less cluttered and more organised too. Don't get me wrong; I still chuck my clothes on the floor. But my drawer only has tops in which I like, they are ordered, when they go in there they (mostly!) get folded, and I can see immediately when I've been lazy and dumped something in there like one of DS' tops. When you "kondo" a more general area like a bedroom, stuff from other parts of the house end up in there which haven't been kondoed and the clutter and unsortedness creeps back in again. And then when you do the area those things are supposed to live in, you miss them. And redo items which have been migrated back from the bedroom.

Lastly it's inefficient - you end up with lots of small storages of different items spread around the house rather than one big place where all of the pens (or whatever) live. That means it's less obvious where to put something back and again things spread.

There is a bit in the book near the beginning where she explains why other tidying methods don't work long term and this is one of the things which is explained. I think she calls it "Why not clean out a closet?" or something. Really worth re-reading if you have the book.

BertieBotts · 17/02/2015 23:50

Rule of thumb on sentimental items.

Why do you want to keep it? If it's because it's part of that category (books: I want to reread it, clothes: I wear this, useful stuff: I use this, etc) then you sort it with that category. It's fine if it has a sentimental value as well, as long as you get joy from using it.

If you don't really want to use it (wear it, read it, etc) but want to keep it (or: don't want to let it go) because it's sentimental or especially if someone gifted it to you, (she has a part of the book about gifts, too) then either say thank you and acknowledge the item and let it go, or if that's too hard/you're not sure/you want to keep it, put it into the sentimental category, which you do last of all. Don't try to sort it as part of the other category. And don't store it with them, either. My favourite shirt from when I was seven which matches my dad's shirt he wore in the hospital on the day I was born does not belong in my wardrobe, I can't wear it. It lives totally impractically on a hanger at the moment and I might eventually remake it into something fabric-y or let it go, but I'm not dealing with it yet because even though it's a shirt, it doesn't really count as clothes.

Starface · 18/02/2015 06:32

Bertie that's a great summary. It absolutely captures the issue. Thanks.

LinzerTorte · 18/02/2015 06:54

While I've found it helpful to stick to MK's order of categories, like others have said I don't think it's necessary to get every single thing in one particularly category out; you can just start with tops or, if you have too many of those, just with T-shirts. The same with books; I didn't take every single book off the bookcase as I wouldn't have had time to do it all in one go and it would just have caused chaos. You could subdivide books further into e.g. fiction/non-fiction (and could subdivide non-fiction even further) but most of my books are fiction so I just did a shelf at the time. I think the important thing is actually taking the books off the shelves, looking at them and handling them to see if they really do spark joy - you can't do that if you're just looking at them all on the shelf.

MK talks in book 2 about how full your drawers (or any storage containers) should be; she calls it the "ideal point" and it's 90%. Apparently, if your drawer is only 70% full, it encourages you to go out and buy more things to fill it and the cycle of buying starts again. She recommends putting things in half-empty drawers together in one drawer, which will free up storage space for you to put other things away.

I'm not convinced this is true as far as clothes are concerned; my underwear drawer is about 60-70% full and my drawer of running gear only about 30% full, but they've been so for months (since I started the process) and I haven't been tempted to buy any more stuff to fill them. However, I've just realised that I still haven't kondoed socks (I rarely wear them - only really running socks); they're in a small drawer on their own at the moment, but I could put the running socks in with my running gear and the few others I have with my underwear. Which would give me another (admittedly small) empty drawer. Not sure what I can put in there though; it's too shallow for much in the way of vertical storage.

I am finding the spaces on my book shelves slightly annoying, though - I've finished a few books that I've passed on/back to friends since I started kondoing so the bookcase is starting to look a little empty in places. However, I met up with a friend last night who passed on a whole bag of books, which has solved my problem. In fact, I think I may need to do more kondoing to find room for them. Grin

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HazyShadeOfWinter · 18/02/2015 07:19

I've been doing categories but based on the rooms I wantto prioritise. So for me its our bedroom and then dcs bedroom. So I'm focusing on categories which are mostly in those rooms (clothes, certain types of books, bedding and towels, phones and chargers) but making sure I collect items from elsewhere at the same time.

Bertie has summarised beautifully, and another advantage of categories is its easier to see when you have duplicates or just too many similar items.

HermioneGrangerHair · 18/02/2015 08:32

Hazy, that's pretty much how I've been working: by category, yes, but starting with the categories that overwhelm a particular room. So the box room has involved books (fiction), magazines, paperwork, sewing supplies, stationery. Of course I've had to round up other items from those categories from the rest of the house as well. I've only broken with categories when I've come across some item that I knew would look like rubbish in any line-up. I've cleared quite a lot of komono that way, without really thinking about that as a category, but whether I gather it all in one place or not, I know I don't want to keep loose batteries, or a fifty centime piece. Hmm

Confession time again: I've bought another piece of furniture on eBay: a vintage shelving unit. This is to replace The Monolith (giant cupboard of doom) in the box room. It does have a glazed cupboard and a couple of little drawers, but it won't lend itself to hiding clutter at all, which is fine by me. And it won't oppress the box room the way The Monolith has. What was I thinking, putting the biggest, clumsiest piece of furniture in the smallest room in the house?

LinzerTorte · 18/02/2015 09:52

Hermione I think that if you know they're going to spark joy, purchases are definitely allowed (and if they're replacing an existing item, that's an added bonus). Grin One thing that MK has really taught me is to think twice before buying things - is this going to mess up my neatly kondoed category, for example Grin or will I really appreciate it?

I don't think she's against keeping possessions per se; the more I read of her second book, the more I realise she's not the minimalist I thought she was (although I have to confess I've forgotten a lot of the first book now and should probably reread it!). She talks about how to display items that you no longer use for their original purpose - you can hang old necklaces that you no longer wear, key rings that you don't need, hairbands that you don't wear any more, etc. on coathangers in your wardrobe, on a nail in the wall or even, like one of her clients did, weave them all together to make a small curtain. I think that may be going a bit far for me...

Talking of confessing to purchases, I finally decided on the Eagle Creek cubes after all and am now impatiently waiting for them to arrive. Grin

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BertieBotts · 18/02/2015 11:08

I've just had a bit of a lightbulb moment myself - I devised a category tidying system years ago when I was really struggling with housework so I think that's why it appeals a lot to me. I'm one of those annoying people who tends to blend the mess into one and not see it at all if it's too diverse so I find it much easier to give myself a clear target: Identify all of the cups, cutlery and plates which are lurking in the wrong rooms and bring them back. Repeat with toys, clothes, rubbish, and finally the miscellaneous items stand out.

What I was missing of course back then is the joy thing - and you're totally right, Linzer, she is not a minimalist. It's not about having less, it's about liking what you have and thinking about what comes in, and I think the point made by a poster a couple of pages back (sorry I am terrible with names Blush) about having a lot of things which actively make you feel bad is an important one too, it's just the way Marie words it is the opposite, framing it as the positive.

MTWTFSS · 18/02/2015 11:11

I have finished my children's room Grin Feels so good Grin