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Good housekeeping for the very tired, overstretched and poorly

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tiredowl · 13/10/2014 20:38

Any interest in a tips and support thread? I have chronic fatigue syndrome so have little energy, can't afford a cleaner, but nicer home environment would be a real life if I could achieve it :-)
I don't really have the energy for a full-on flylady thing, and the tone does annoy me a bit, but I am trying to incorporate the principle of little efforts, consistently applied, add up and make a difference, although often I just can't.
Anyone else?

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HeyMacWey · 23/10/2014 19:44

Glad the cooking front is working out larry

I've used health span before and found they were good.

I'm going to go for a month without supplements as I want my gp to rerun my full blood count as I think I might benefit from b12 injections. My count was just above the bottom of the reference range and I think it might be worth exploring.

Yes coq10 was one that I had on my list. Supposed to be good for brain fog. The others included magnesium and zinc. I was also looking at d-ribose following reading up on Dr myhills website. I think I found a multi but on health span that was for 70+ year olds that seemed to fit the bill.
There was also something else but can't remember for the life of me what it was.

My diet mainly features berries, Greek yogurt, somekind of pulse/veg combo for lunch, nuts or an apple /pear to snack on then a regular meal as per my meal plans listed earlier on. All cooked from fresh. My mum wants me to cut out dairy and gluten and seems convinced this'll make a difference. I haven't got the energy to give it a go atm. I don't each much bread atm and only have a few ml of milk in tea each day so I'm not sure that it'd make that much of a difference.

larryphilanddave · 27/10/2014 00:37

Checking in, fell of my TIO. Hope you're all well!

HeyMacWey · 28/10/2014 09:41

Fell off mine too!

Am really enjoying not having to rush around this half-term.

Made homemade quiche yesterday and froze 4 individual ones for meals in the coming weeks. Dinner is from the freezer so don't need to spend any energy on that.

It's glorious today so might try to tidy the garden for winter - v slowly but with lots of breaks Grin

tiredowl · 28/10/2014 11:10

Thanks for supplement and diet experiences. I think I'm going to try and book a consultation to get myself kick started with a healthier regime. I know the caffeine has to go really, but my head is in the sand about that.

My house is a bit of a tip - had lovely family staying for weekend, who were very helpful, but everything is now a bit chaotic after housing more kids than usual! Going to gradually get things straight over the week, rather than blitz it though :-) I think I've learned that lesson at least.

Today's jobs: hoover dd's room and clean bathroom. Do one load of washing Everything else can wait.

Going to start looking out for a good condenser dryer deal - I realise this would make a big difference to my quality of life and living space, as my bedroom is constantly filled with piles of laundry and drying racks at the moment, and looks dreadful. I need one that is good at avoiding creases so I can avoid ever having to iron - I need to read the which reports I think.

How is everyone? Sunny, breezy day here, which lifts my mood and energy.

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fuzzpig · 28/10/2014 11:12

Struggling physically today! We've been doing a mega declutter and that combined with being out and about for half term (although not working so that's good) has definitely caught up with me today!

fuzzpig · 28/10/2014 11:14

Caffeine is hard to kick! I struggle to eliminate it altogether and I don't even drink tea or coffee - mine just comes from cola type stuff. I don't generally have it in the house but some days I just really really crave it.

Jemster · 28/10/2014 11:22

I'm feeling very tired but am determined to get our in this amazing weather.
Does anyone else suffer with itching? I know it's a bit of a weird question but I'm starting to wonder if its something in the house. I've used the same washing powder etc for years so can't be that. I get it now and again not all the time but my skin will just be really itchy & hot. My dh also gets itchy but he has a confirmed dust allergy as he gets sneezy with it.

tiredowl · 28/10/2014 11:38

sorry you two are having a tired day.
fuzzpig I find looking after dd much more tiring than being at work :-)
Jemster have you tried antihistamines to see? Or can it be an autoimmune / inflamation thing? I gt dry itchy skin when the weather changes, and lots of cosmetics / shampoos irritate me, including organic / natural ones :-(

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larryphilanddave · 31/10/2014 10:05

I agree on DCs being much more tiring than work!

Been plodding along with basic maintenance here, DH has been feeling better so he has been on top of dishes and vacuuming (yay!) so it all looks okay, bathroom is generally clean as I find it fairly easy to clean, kitchen is alright but a little bit cluttered feleing at the moment as there are some things to put away. But all in all, not too bad Smile

Need to do another round of batch cooking, looking for some different recipes for the meats that we have in at the moment for variety, I think I'll slowly make progress on that today.

I'm finding laundry easier at the moment however, as I'm trying to make sure that I do regular small/average loads, rather than letting things pile up in the basket. The issue we have is with drying, no space for a dryer and no outside space, currently hanging clothes on the airer over the bath to keep drying out of the way and hopefully well ventilated, but sometimes it still takes a while to dry so I can't just do a few loads consecutively! Used to have access to a tumble dryer... tiredowl I agree, a dryer does make a difference, I used to get a load dry within 30-45mins for clothes (I used it for socks, t-shirts, DC clothing), a little bit longer for bed linen and towels but not too much more, maybe an hour. Made it easy to just wash and dry, rather than having to stand about working out where to place things on the airer to maximise drying efficiency.

HeyMacWey · 31/10/2014 16:42

Hi all - hope half-term has been kind to everyone. I'm having a sit down as the lovely weather prompted me to strip and wash all the bedding before its too wet to dry indoors. Also did the ironing ready for back to school.

larry could you get one of those airers that hangs from the ceiling that you can pulley up. Can't remember the name of them but there are threads about them on here.
If you positioned it at the top of your stairs you'd get the heat rising so clothes would dry quickly. We don't have a tumble but smaller loads are definitely the way forward in the winter.

Also did the weekly shop too.

It's been lovely this week not having to rush around too much.

larryphilanddave · 31/10/2014 21:34

Hey I have looked at those longingly Grin We rent and all LLs around here are pretty strict, nothing can be attached to the walls/ceilings/anything if it involves any 'permanent' change (ie screws or hooks). The bathroom has been a little bit of an improvement though, next to the bath is a window and we also have a fairly new extractor fan so we seem to be able to ventilate alright, and if we need to make it warmer there is a decent towel radiator in there. Just have to manage it until we move... not that we're planning on going anywhere, but we never seem to last anywhere for very long!

Haven't done any batch cooking today (oops) however I pulled out one of the other meals I had previously frozen, when I told DH we'd be having x for dinner he said, "Ooh, that'll be nice... oh wait, but I don't have enough time..." because he has work to do. I gave him this face Hmm and said, "But it's already done, it'll take about 10 minutes to heat through". He was amazed, he'd already forgotten that this is part of the new system and he was thoroughly impressed Grin

I need to think of things that are really simple and low impact that I can prepare tomorrow in the day, as I don't want the meat to go bad but we have visitors later on so I can't spend all of my time and energy on cooking. Off to find some inspiration!

ROUNDandROUNDINCIRCILESMORETHA · 01/11/2014 16:08

so nice to find this thread. Have RA too and slightly concerned about getting the house straight for visitors at Christmas. I have a dad who is OCD and every time I am with him gives me lectures saying I am not doing a good job and the floors should be clear so he doesn't trip up, but he doesn't stop there and it really gets me down. I understand his view but he really upset me this week and has put me under a huge amount of pressure to get the house 'perfect' for them at Christmas. I don't think anyone who doesn't have RA or this sort of disease will ever understand the struggles we have so it's really nice to find some people who might understand and really interesting reading the meal plans etc.

HeyMacWey · 02/11/2014 13:27

Hi round sounds like you're under a lot of pressure there.

It might be easier for you to put lots of stuff in storage/bin bags in the loft till after Xmas so that you have minimal stuff around to trigger any ocd. Had your dad been diagnosed? Seems unfair to put the responsibility all on you. Could you say to him that everyone needs to pitch in at Xmas - perhaps people could choose jobs to do from a list then you won't have all the worry up front.

Are you doing all the catering? Could you ask people to bring certain things along so you're not doing everything. Or buy ready made?

Slow day today in my house. Dh is at work and dc's content to have a pj day.

Making a roast later and that's about it. Am aching in legs and hips so will be cooking sitting down Grin

tiredowl · 02/11/2014 20:59

Hi all. Really tired, have to stay up late working tonight, massive work day tomorrow, but I still spent ages sorting the house out tonight after visitors. The thought of living with it messy all week seemed more depressing and tired-making than doing it, although that may have been the wrong call ...
Did two loads of washing and hung them out, one more load now in soak for tomorrow (felt tip) hoovered and dusted one bedroom, stripped and remade two beds, did weekend's worth of washing up, put bins out for collection, tidied all toys away ... and breathe.
I agree that sounds very tough Round - I like the sounds of Hey 's suggestions - would any work for you? Your Dad really has to own his mental health problem - you have enough on your plate.

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fuzzpig · 02/11/2014 21:20

Sorry about your dad round that sounds tough.

Dreading the return to school and work tomorrow. The child free time will be quite welcome but it's been lovely being together all week. With DH back to work I will have more to manage day to day and I struggle so much with it.

Have done some bulk cooking today though so at least I know there's meals in the freezer :)

HeyMacWey · 03/11/2014 13:39

tiredowl I'm exhausted just reading that list Grin hope you're not paying for it today.

The first week back at school is always a nightmare - it takes me a good couple of weeks to adjust and now that I've recognised the pattern I can at least mentally prepare for it rather than wonder why I'm feeling so horrendous.

I've got a hospital appt tomorrow - I'm being seen by the local cfs service - I'm supposed to be doing graded exercise therapy but it seems a bit disorganised and I'm not 100% confident in it making much of a difference. Has anyone tried it?

Jemster · 03/11/2014 19:26

Round that's hard with your dad, i think maybe you need to explain how you feel & that you do the best you can in your circumstances. I have RA too so I know how you feel.

I've had a bit of a melt down this evening. I'm tired but also sick of the permanent mess & clutter. I feel like I'm constantly trying to tidy up everyone else's crap. I pile it all up at the bottom of stairs to go up but everyone just walks past it! Would it really hurt them to take something up as they go past?!
DH had a moan saying why do I put it all there to which I said would you prefer it all over the living room floor!
I just can't seem to find away to make things easier clutter wise, well unless I literally just threw everything away.
DS 7 moans if I ask him to help, he says he hates tidying!!

Sometimes I wonder if I'd find this all so hard anyway or do I just have less patience as I have this annoying condition which makes me tired, hurt and irritable.

Sorry for moan - I've resorted to wine now to chill out a bit!!

HeyMacWey · 05/11/2014 20:09

How's r everyone coping with the back to school routine?
I've been zonked today but had enough energy to do packed lunches for tomorrow Grin

daisychicken · 05/11/2014 22:10

Just thought I'd note that the Sheila Maids (ceiling pulley airers) are very heavy - well the one we have is! I can just about cope with letting it down but once loaded with wet washing, it's too heavy for me to pull & hurts my back and hands so I wouldn't recommend it from that point of view. The lakeland heated airer gets recommended a lot on here - might that work? I have 3 folding airers with 5/6 rails each on one radiator and 1 on another - from Lidl - these take 1-2 loads of washing and we have a dehumidifier below them. I'd love a tumble drier for the winter months/bad days but have no space for one.

Round would your dad come and do a clearing session for you if you explained? It does sound very hard for you and yes, I agree.. if people haven't experience of RA or Fibro or similar.. then it is hard for them to understand and 'get' it. I had to explain to ds1 (he's 12) that just because I choose not to tell him that I'm in pain doesn't mean I'm not. It's just that I don't want him to feel pressured/bad/having to take stuff on for me etc... but that a little empathy and help if I ask would be appreciated... he was a little more thoughtful (for a while...). Perhaps your dad thinks that "Round said she was fine/didn't mention she was struggling so must be doing well" and doesn't think about the struggles you may be having.

Don't forget to use foil dishes for chicken/Turkey/beef and potatoes etc on Christmas day - or any other day! - save yourself washing up! Wink

Well we had a weekend away and therefore spent 3 days constantly being busy and riding the rides at Chessington - I'd promised dc I'd take them so wasn't going to let them down. Thankfully the weather was warm and dry which helped but I did struggle and felt bruised, sore, achy and exhausted. I'm in a flare atm - unsurprising really but.. we had fun so I'm focusing on that!

larryphilanddave · 07/11/2014 15:02

Hello all. It is tough when others don't understand - or at least, annoying, depending on how they go about things. I think it is a common experience for people with chronic illness, that we will say, "Yes, I'm fine" or just get on with some things, even though underneath we might be achey, sore, tired, needing rest etc, or worse, because I think most people don't want to be the person that always says, "Oh well, I feel rough, and my muscles hurt, and I can't manage the washing today..." etc every time someone asks how we are.

I have implemented some new rules though, for managing the home in terms of visitors. We don't often have people here but because we're expecting DC2 soon we've already had a number of visits and this will continue until at least 1 or 2 months after the birth, I think. Some people just don't understand that by bringing all of this stuff - like chocolates and drinks - or 'helping' - like bringing food and cooking a huge meal with every pot and pan that we own - is actually just a burden for us. We have slightly restricted diets anyway. We have a small kitchen and no dishwasher so we have to wash all of that stuff by hand (they don't wash, they just cook). And when they bring bottles of stuff (which we don't even drink!) and generate lots of waste in food packaging and peelings and such, our bin fills immediately and we end up with bags of heavy rubbish to carry down the two flights of stairs.

So basically everyone is banned from bringing pretty much anything. Okay maybe that's a bit extreme Grin but no food, no cooking, just stay away from the kitchen! If they bring a bottle or several it has to go out with them. If they really want to eat whilst they're here (we don't even have a dining table so it's not like it's even easy but anyway...), then they can either join us with what we make, or get takeaway. And takeaway rubbish goes out immediately.

It sounds so miserable but I can't hack it, we've already been hugely set back in maintaining things with some of the recent visits, I'm not doing that with a newborn and toddler, it's just not happening.

Honestly, if visitors just come, hug the cute little bundle, drink tea, eat biscuits, take it easy, that would be all fine. The best gift would be helping with some dishes or taking out the bins. DH has already started laying down some rules for his family too, as it hit him the hardest when we had DC1, neither of us realised just what the impact of other people would be. The baby part was comparatively fine!

tiredowl · 08/11/2014 20:13

Larry I think it's fine - you just have to do what you need to to get by, all the more if you are pregnant on top of everything else. I think it is reasonable to say to guests in advance that you don't need them to bring food, but help with taking rubbish out, washing up (or whatever else you need) would be an enormous help / big treat for you. It's true that visitors probably don't understand, so it isn't unreasonable for us to tell them :-)

It sounds like you have a good plan, and that you and DH are united, which is half the battle where family is concerned.

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tiredowl · 08/11/2014 20:49

I'm totally knackered today. Kitchen full of dishes, and I haven't the energy to do anything about it. I've rewashed the same load of washing three times now, as I don't have the energy to hang it up so it gets a bit stagnant. I really need to get that tumble dryer!
Having a glass of wine, which I know is a bad plan for cfs, but feels like I need it today

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Jemster · 08/11/2014 22:30

Tiredowl enjoy your wine - the way I see it is I need some pleasures in life! I don't generally drink at all in the week but at weekends I find a couple of glasses relaxes me and I forget about any aches & pains which is rather nice. Smile

HeyMacWey · 09/11/2014 11:10

Yep - larry your plan sounds fine to me. I find that when I'm in my little safe bubble of home I can cope but as soon as visitors come round or a break from the normal routine it just leaves you off balance.

I'm really struggling with aches, pains and grogginess. I'm pretty sure it's the weather that's affecting me. I feel like I've done a weights work out - it's that heavy limbed-ness that makes me out of balance and I end up knocking things over or bumping into things as I don't have the energy to be in control of my limbs.

I agree about 'I'm fine'. With a hidden illness I find that I can slap on some make up and for the 10 mins that someone may see me out I look fine. What they don't see is the two hours it took to get there Grin. Oh and the time to recover afterwards. I think most of my family and friends get it but no one really knows do they?

Some washing done today. Vegs already prepped for dinner. Dh at work so quiet day with the dc's. Planning a Dr who marathon later.

Hope you're feeling a bit more energised today tiredowl

Jemster I find that alcohol is too much for me during the week but weekends I can relax a bit more too. Had two glasses of wine last night and head is banging this morning. Think I'll have to stick to one glass.

HeyMacWey · 11/11/2014 12:32

I'm really struggling atm. I think it's the change in the weather. My joints are sooo stiff and painful. I can't get a grip of things and keep dropping everything.

Am going to attempt to make a cottage pie later which unfortunately needs lots of chopping so if I'm not back I'll be in A&E getting my fingers sewn back on Grin

Have had a banging headache too. Feels like my sinuses are blocked. No other cold symptoms though.

In other news - have just ordered a handheld vacuum that I can keep in the sitting room to help keep on top of mess - we have a woodburner and it's quite dusty after making it so I'm hoping this will help rather than using a dust pan.