Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Home ed

Find advice from other parents on our Homeschool forum. You may also find our round up of the best online learning resources useful.

Free to all

113 replies

sorkycake · 21/12/2006 16:19

Hahaha! you all though it was super-dooper freebies. No!
Just thinking on the hijacking of threads, which is rampant on HE threads I've noticed, and it's all fillyjonks fault

I think I'm now allowed off the naughty step and would like to ask how you all are?
We broke up today and are now officially on our own. It's took 5 'roses' sweets before I could type this as I've re-entered panic mode!
Oh and I'd like to know if it's too early to teach a 4.5yo about Yule and the Solstice.

Feel free to hijack or converse as you feel the need to

OP posts:
Fillyjonk · 10/01/2007 19:17

yes subaroo good idea

what shall we call ourselves?

I am sharpening my under the stairs lock in preparation for battle.

Fillyjonk · 10/01/2007 19:19

yes subaroo good idea

what shall we call ourselves?

I am sharpening my under the stairs lock in preparation for battle.

Runnerbean · 10/01/2007 19:31

OK I shall loiter.
I just want dont want to discuss pros and cons anymore.

I've chosen to HE and I just want advice and support from other like minded people.

Fillyjonk · 10/01/2007 19:33

lol

here have a lock

no i know exactly how you feel, I think we all do.

Jennylee · 10/01/2007 19:37

totally feel the same, we all have thought the pros and cons through ages ago.

We are past that point and now want to to get on with it and get to know others who are in the same boat(or understairs cupboard)

Saturn74 · 10/01/2007 19:40

Could our theme song be 'I Am What I Am' by Gloria Gaynor?

Or maybe we could just put our own lyrics to a 'Wurzles' tune - it might be slightly cheaper on the royalties front?

Saturn74 · 10/01/2007 19:45

Or our own take on 'I'd like to teach the world to sing', retitled

'I'd like to facilitate the educational independence of my children, incorporating singing, dancing, maths, literacy and other subjects too numerous to mention'.

Obviously some tweaking of the tune would be required.

Jennylee · 10/01/2007 19:49

lol

Fillyjonk · 10/01/2007 19:50

gloria gaynor ?

hmmm

I have an image now of us standing on a metaphorical picket line swinging our locks and singing "I am what I am"

I think I may go to bed now

Astrophe · 11/01/2007 11:16

Fillyjonk, will abandon the other thread I started and reply to you on here. Thanks again for book loan offer - will read the two that are coming from amazon (with an excersize dvd...hmmm...the beginning of my 'get skinny' plan for 2007! - am only telling you this as saw you lurking on an excersize dvd thread, and I was lurking too).

Sorry to hear you lot are copping a lot of flak from other MNers, and from family. Tis sad that people can't leave well alone and mind their own biz...but there area few topic areas that everyone seems to think they are an expert on aren't there?!

I don't look forward to breaking the news to our family at all. My folks will initialy object but then (hopefully) come 'round...my mum has a phd in Early Childhood Education. PILs and DHs siblings will see this as confirmation of our loony staus and further evidence of our having been "brainwashed by the church" (not that a single other person from our church HEs!)

KateF · 11/01/2007 17:56

Hi HE-ers! I lurked on the "other thread" but it was too ridiculous to post on How people do love to pass judgement!
We have had our first week of full time HE for dd2 (dd1 is going to school part-time)and she seems quite happy - has done loads of crafty stuff with Christmas presents and watched some schools TV (and a few DVDs!). Not so keen on the reading and writing, but she's done a few bits and she is only 5 so I'll try to stay calm.....
Everyone I know clearly thinks I'm bonkers but the change in both dds is actually noticeable to me.

SueBaroo · 11/01/2007 20:09

Sometimes people can really surprise you, though. Our very old fashioned PIL are very supportive, primarily because my dear MIL loved having her boys at home and was distraight when they went to school, because she'd been having so much fun with them at home, learning about the world.

Runnerbean · 11/01/2007 23:33

The other thread has moved into a parallel universe, either that or I'm so tired I can't understand english anymore.

sorkycake · 16/01/2007 21:49

Katef, I actually feel thrilled to have my daughter slowly returning to us and simultaneously saddened and ashamed that we didn't realise the extent to which she had changed.
I haven't been able to access the net for 4 weeks so would just like to update everyone who has been supportive on our progress if that's ok?

I'm truly not exaggerating when I say that everyone is much calmer, the house is full of laughter, including mine which is lovely, and you know what, I am getting time to myself which I did worry about.

We are taking each day as it comes and seeing how we feel. We're winging it atm and it feels liberating. The house is amazingly relaxed and she has started to ask questions again after 4 weeks away from school. Dh and I almost cried the night we sat discussing this issue and how she was changing back. She is deciding what to do atm and we are not trying to push any curriculum at all. She will almost everyday choose to read though and asks to do some number work, however what she is interested in is way above the level she was doing in school that we conclude that she was very bored at school.

We always thought she was pretty crap at colouring in, never taking as much pride as the other kids in her work, until she asked if I could buy a colour by numbers book with pens, which I did last week. She chose the pictures she wanted to do and produced the most beautifully coloured art I have ever seen her do, she was so proud of herself and cut it out with wiggly scissors which framed it nicely. Dh was blown away when he got in from work and she showed him, it was another wonderful moment and has almost convinced us to go with a more autonomous approach than we had previously planned.

We've finished the John Holt books, which I have to say, have profoundly affected our views of how we will go about HE'ing. We know for certain that we have made the right decision. The LA have contacted us to let us know they know about us iykwim, and will contact us in due course apparently.

Finally, when I used to pick her up from school I would always ask her what she had done that day and the answer, no matter which way I enthusiastically phrased the question, was always a pause and then "I can't remember". She could always spontaneously tell me what she had eaten for lunch, as if trying to answer the question in some small way.
Today her Dad asked her what had she done today and she told him, I played with my brother, I read 3 books (gave the titles) and learned hundreds, tens and units. He asked her what she had had for dinner and she said she couldn't actually remember. Howzzat!!
I have 2 very happy children, 1 happy husband and a sense of hope & adventure about the whole journey. Maybe it's the pg hormones, but damn life feels good atm.

OP posts:
SueBaroo · 16/01/2007 22:17

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Saturn74 · 17/01/2007 00:45

sorkycake, that's wonderful news!

Runnerbean · 17/01/2007 07:56

I'm so pleased for you Sorkycake!
We have been HE now for 6 months and the time has flown!
My dds and I have loads more friends now, ( I never clicked with the 'school' mums) and my dd has a stack of work to show the inspector even though I don't feel like we've done much work.

It is a wonderful adventure for you all, good luck!!

redshoes · 17/01/2007 18:01

What a result

JustHumphrey · 17/01/2007 18:07

Runnerbean, re your comment "my dd has a stack of work to show the inspector even though I don't feel like we've done much work".
I've found exactly the same, especially during this school year. I helped the children give their rooms a really thorough, top to bottom clean before Christmas, and was amazed at the amount of work in their desks, chests of drawers, bed drawers etc. It was everywhere! Art work, stories, poems, letters, designs for inventions, lists, sums working out the profit and loss on things they had sold on ebay....
It's fab!

Heartmum2Jamie · 17/01/2007 20:07

Sorky, that is a fantastic post to read and gives me hope that things will become easier with ds soon.

Kate, Ia m pleased to hear that your first week went well and that your dd is coming back to you.

As for us, we are finding it tough right now. My dh was adamant that he wants ds to follow the NC, wants him to work from work books etc and it is such a chore to get ds to do anything. When he does come to the dining room to do "work" he whines all the way through. I know he is bored and have told dh he is bored and that it is no fun, for him or me. I am hoping that we can start to incorporate more fun into our learning, playing games etc so that the child doesn't even realise that they are "working".

I am trying not to be too hard on ds as it is a big change (for ds2 also, who is not used to sharing me during the week). I am waiting for the novelty of the xmas presents and the tv/playstation to wear off (I hope it is SOON!) and for him to start asking questions again, so far....nothing, despite gentle prodding and briniging up subjects from me. I guess things take time and I have to remeber that he is only 5.5.

We also heard from the LA and will be having our visit soon I suspect. I feel like we haven't got a single thing to show for anything that we have done. I am glad that i keep a diary and that I have got ds1 to start writing a diary too.

Please tell me it gets easier

Fillyjonk · 18/01/2007 07:12

aw sorky how wonderful

HM-I am sorry you are finding it so hard...

my mum is an award winning teacher (I like to put that bit in, I am very proud of her as she has always been a 1970s "trendy" teacher IYkWIM-and yet she does get really good results. She also frequently rants about the poor way we treat kids by sending them to school...)

anyway, she is a seriously highly regarded teacher and she HATES the NC. She says it is not just straightjacketing and stifling, it is not very good. For example, you can't really teach stuff in the order they prescribe. She also feels strongly that early years-7 need to be about play and thus developing basic concepts that will later be used to understand the world.

Piaget and vygotsky and so on are actually a good tool in this situation, I find. You will not find any of the giants of educational psychology advocating school before about 7. IIRC.

David Elkind is a good, easy introduction to this.

oh and I have had to promise not to use most workbooks, esp for reading and stuff, cos they are apparently badly designed and not very good...

Runnerbean · 18/01/2007 08:58

HM2J,
After about 8 weeks of HE I had a real struggle with my dd, and I really wondered if I had made a big mistake!
My dd just didn't want to do anything, and we were going the workbook, NC route.
But I talked to some autonomous HE rs at my group and I found them very inspiring!
It is me that needed to 'de-school' and I think it is harder for us parents, after all I had over 20 years of the 'school' system my dd only had 3!!

I'm much more relaxed now I use the NC as a guide to reassure myself that we are doing OK!
At school my dd would take 4 years to cover KS2 but we can easily manage it in 1!

Museums, galleries, days out are the best way to start I think.
Then you can see what inspires your child and you can steer them.

Remember 'you can lead a horse to water.....'

KateF · 18/01/2007 18:11

HM- sorry can't remember how old your ds is but dd2 is 5.6 and won't do workbooks either. I get her to read from a ladybird reader each day and if she draws a picture I'll ask her to write a little bit about it underneath. She also uses CDROMs quite happily (Learning Ladder atm)and does a lot of "making" and "inventing"! Together with what I read to her and some Class TV and Discovery Kids I think we can tick the boxes for most of the NC (rubbish that it is!). I don't want to sound smug as we have had a few bad days too and I am a little anxious about the LA who are about to catch up with us but I am confident that I am providing at least as good an education as she was getting in school and the fact that she is so much happier will make me fight my corner.
dd1 is older (7.2) and when she is at home she tends to do project type work but sometimes asks me to download maths worksheets lol.
Your post was lovely sorkycake

Heartmum2Jamie · 18/01/2007 18:37

Thank you Kate!!!! Ds is 5.6 too (5.7 next week). Now I feel more normal, although unfortunately the LEA have caught up with us. I had the call today to say that she is coming to visit.........TOMORROW!!!! Nothing like a bit of pre-warning, not! She would come dutring a week I was feeling a little down and unsure of myself.

Today ds watched numberjacks with his little bro this morning, then classtv before doing some music creativity! I will call it that, but it gave me a headache, lol! This afternoon, I did get him to finally sit down and finish a maths workbook and then he spent ages on the computer playing around with the free trial from education city. I nearly died of shock when ds2 (2.6) was able to successfully do a few of the english activities from the nursery selection with very good mouse controlle and an accuracy level of 88% with NO help

KateF · 18/01/2007 20:56

Hope the visit goes well. I think you will be fine. Education City is good isn't it? I may well sign dd2 up for it as our trial has now finished. dd1 found Yr2 too easy but I might sign myself up as a Yr3 student and get a trial of that!
dd2 decided to ask me all about brains while she was in the bath so we had to get out the Usborne body book and do some of that as a bit of light bedtime reading