Greek island but without the strays

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I'd love to visit a Greek island. Is there one without any stray animals in the main resorts? It'd really upset me seeing them.

@TreatTreat if you are concerned about animal welfare definitely do not visit Spain and give them your money.
look up the cruelty inflicted on galgos and podencos (dogs) when hunters have finished with them.

for eg, they hang them from trees

Unless you are simply worried about seeing strays ruining your holiday ?

Bluntly, so what, though? You’re anthropomorphising because you see cats as pampered pets, rather than wild animals. This population of cats is living like wild animals, with a los5 of predation and death.

Wow.

Our regular resort in Majorca still has one bar with tethered parrots, though I'm glad to say there used to be other bars which did this and have stopped. Saw a few skinny stray cats there too but nothing overwhelming. A local lady was feeding a bunch of random animals including a chicken, a cat and a dog.

No. I care about all animals. I know exactly what happens in colonies as it's something I've been dealing with for the last 25 years. All colonies begin as a result of human irresponsibility - having a cat and not neutering. It's then lost or abandoned and colonies are formed which result in suffering, starvation and death. And it's avoidable. Neutering programmes and regulations are the solution. Cats suffer more than most wild animals because of the way they breed so prolifically. The only way for the population to remain manageable is with a huge proportion of kitten and adult death.

I care that any animals suffer. I care particularly about cats because I know the effect of their prolific breeding, and I also know something could be done to stop it.

And what you call anthropomorphizing, I call empathy. Not everyone is made the same. Some people actually care about animal suffering. Some don't.

Cats suffer more than most wild animals because of the way they breed so prolifically. The only way for the population to remain manageable is with a huge proportion of kitten and adult death.

Generally speaking, animals that have large and frequent litters do so because they experience a high level of attrition. This means, in essence, that cats are naturally predisposed to die as kittens - their high reproduction rate is compensation.

It's really nice of you to care so much about them and about animals overall, @thecatneuterer. I think @NotCrazyAboutIt's perspective is equally valid, though. It's the same biological mechanism that leads mice and rabbits to breed prolifically. When looking at them as wild animals rather than as homeless pets, it's easy to understand that they're evolved to die easily - and that, if they don't, we could end up facing a huge infestation problem (as experienced from time to time in Australia).

I care about animal suffering. I’ve been an ethical vegetarian for over 30 years, now moving towards veganism. I don’t buy products tested on animals. I just don’t see cattle or pig suffering as a separate or lesser thing to cat suffering. Cats suffering on a Greek island is not different or worse because they’re traditionally in the ‘pet’ category rather than the ‘food’ or ‘pest’ category.

I entirely agree. But trying to get everyone to become vegan is sadly going to be very difficult - I'm just hoping for lab grown meat to be the eventual game changer. On the other hand something could be done about cats suffering with a bit of legislation and funding.

This is true. But humans have caused and continue to cause this suffering through not neutering (in the UK too) and it's something we could do something about with enough public/government will to do so.

I agree OP. I'm baffled that anyone enjoys seeing these stray cats, they likely die young and any health issues go untreated. I remember seeing struggling kittens by a hot main road, mum had been run over. It was a shrug of the shoulders to those there, just roadkill :(

Cats deter snakes. They want a small number of cats, but not too many.

In Cyprus, an easy guide is looking at the ears... they clip an ear when they neuter the cat. (So the same cat doesn't need recapturing!(

They aren't pets. They have no owners. Its more like rabbits in England. You have pets in urban gardens and wild ones in the fields.

They’re not all strays a lot of people just allow them to wander

What's so wow about that? You head to Greece if you're so affected by my statement! 😂

Oh shut up. I need to grow up, yet you're calling me an idiot for not wanting to go somewhere? You're the one who needs to grow up and refrain from throwing insults. I WILL NOT be visiting Greece because I don't want to see any animals who don't have a fulfilled life thank you very much.

You're right, all the countries you mentioned do have issues with animal welfare, but the place I go to in Spain doesn't have strays that I see and so I enjoy my holiday because I simply think seeing thin, malnourished animals without a home, however much they've adapted to being strays, would upset me.

Why am I thinking of myself? Me being there isn't going to make the slightest difference to the Greek economy or the animal welfare. Your comment was just odd.

Probably no strays where you choose to stay because there's nothing to scavenge but fag butts and cheesy chips! But hey, as long as you're alright jack! 👍

Glad you won't be going anywhere else, sounds like you wouldn't appreciate it anyway- leave it for those of us who understand how the world works a bit better.

I stay in one of the most upmarket resorts in the med. I've never seen cheesy chips on any menu. There are tapas and traditional Spanish food a plenty though.

I must say you come across as very, very odd. I will totally leave Greece to you as it sounds like you'd be one of those people who are memorable on holiday for all the wrong reasons.

PS, I'm happy to post photos on here of where I do stay. You sound totally up yourself. What a weirdo. You made me laugh though at your obnoxious attitude.

TBF, not going somewhere because of…cats…is pretty weird itself.

Much happier being well travelled and accepting of the way of the world than stuck in one place forever worrying about seeing a strays animal and it scarring me for life. There's a huge world out there and you'll never see it. How very sad.

When we went to Kefalonia the cats were numerous & cute. Kefalonia is only really "open" have the year. It was noticable that there were only young cats & kittens. Presumably many of them are either culled or die over the winter :(

You are so unpleasant. All these personal attacks. Nasty piece of work.

You may have travelled the world, but that doesn't give you class and dignity. Launching personal attacks on people you don't know is not classy. I feel you are very unhappy about yourself which is why you're being nasty to me. Sending you a virtual hug, hun. Ha ha ha ha.

Really? I wouldn't go to Dubai or other places because of their poor treatment of humans. The cats in these places probably get little to no support in the winter once the tourists have gone home and then sometimes they're poisoned by locals. It's no life.