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FWN1987 · 29/09/2024 20:33

I needed abit of help as am really stressed out.

I have booked a family holiday in October for 4 weeks. 2 weeks will be when it is school holidays and 2 weeks out of school holidays.

I see the rules have changed and getting a 3rd fine in 3 years will take you to court.

Now the part where i am stressed out is we have had 2 fines in the last 2 years. Will the fines from the previous years count to this year and ultimately this holiday will land me in court?

TIA

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wafflesmgee · 09/10/2024 23:48

AbraAbraCadabra · 08/10/2024 04:37

I think all you are teaching children is that presenteeism matters rather than looking at life as a whole. Lots of experiences matter and are educational. Family time and nurturing those relationships is also important. 30/40 years ago there were no such be thing as TAs. And as someone in receipt of free meals I was quizzed by the school nurse as to whether my family took holidays. This was seen at the time as an important part of a child’s life/development.

15/20 years ago children in my son’s infants was taken out for a good part of the year so the family could travel around the world. The head/school supported that and held open their places, as they could see the value this would bring the children in terms of their experience and education.

That was just a few years ago, just before the government decided the most important thing was bums on seats, irrespective of the child, their health and their family.

Education has also become too rigid and too focussed solely on academics. It doesn’t consume the individual and no longer allows parents to. This rigid approach obviously doesn’t suit all children. Parents need to been given autonomy to parent as they are the only ones who can view their child as they are and know what’s best for them.

This hyperfocus on bums on seats regardless of the child’s attendance and performance in school is ridiculous and to the detriment of children, families and everyone in the school. It’s particularly damaging to non-academic children, children with SEN and disabled children, along with those otherwise struggling with the school environment.

We really need to take a step back and rethink our whole approach. Our whole culture now has an over focus on presenteeism and that is leading to stress, unhappiness and ill health in both children and adults in work (and the government wonder who anyone who can wants to retire in the 50s, it’s hardly surprising when work is so unpleasant and stressful for the majority - it did not used to be like this 15 odd years ago!!). Presenteeism is not a good thing and not something I would want to install as a value in my children. I would much rather they were happy, healthy and fulfilled in whatever they chose to do.

30 years ago there were no TAs because there were sufficient special schools for children with complex needs. The government then introduced a culture of "inclusion" with funding for TAs, now they have shredded that funding. So 99%of classrooms now have children in them with significantly disruptive behaviours (through lack of funding, not the children's fault), such as spitting/throwing furniture/hitting/kicking on a daily basis.
At the same time, teaching now is done very differently to 30 years ago, it's not as much "sit and listen to me talk then write" as much as 5 mins doing different carousels of activities, with partner talk and collaborative work etc. The modern approach requires significantly more planning and preparation to tailor it to the needs of your class than just showing up and chatting for an hour then drawing random picture.
Again, children now are different to 30 years ago. For whatever reasons, they now have significantly shorter attention spans, ability to conform to social norms such as active listening/taking turns/responding in regulated ways to peer on peer conflict. Given that schools are now having to teach these social skills, holidays impact on every aspect of a child's life. E.g. they forget how to use a knife and fork when away because their family let them eat with their hands in front of a TV.
Classrooms now are very, very different environments to even 20 years ago. The national curriculum, for example, changed in 2014. I don't think people who work outside of education can really get it, but the argument "it was fine when I was growing up so it will be fine now" doesn't really make sense, given all this.

It may have been fine for you. Great. That's not the reality I see day to day now, as a teacher. I'm all for bashing pointless government policy that fails children but I see the negative impact absenteeism and holidays have on pupils ALL THE TIME. That is my personal experience and why I don't take my own children out of school in termtime, despite also having family who live abroad.
Also respectfully, many parents who say it's fine have no clue about education at all e.g. they themselves can read and write well but, as they only have one 8 year old, they don't realise that that 8 year old can't read and write well enough. Why would they, when they don't see 30 8 year olds writing every day?

I find it odd that people don't value the opinions of teachers and schools about this to be honest. Like, if I want a medical opinion I'll ask a doctor and, because I'm not a doctor, I'll listen to it. Whereas parents ask for holiday in termtime, the schools say no and point parents to all the research that proves its bad for children's education, then some parents do it anyway. Just go on holiday in the holidays.

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