Global warming- Greece

[jennylamb1]

In Rhodes, Greece. Have been holidaying here for over 30 years, as have family here. Yearly average at this time of year is high 30 low 24, this week if will be 39/24 and compared to the usual pleasant heat and balmy evenings, it is like being in an oven.
I know it's global warming, however the increase in the number of heat waves here has ramped up significantly and I feel as if for the first time we're experiencing it firsthand which is sobering.

@itistooeasy aviation is 4% of global warming.
Use of fossil fuels 75 %. Eating beef 14%.
So don't drive petrol cars and use solar and stop eating beef.

@itistooeasy are you just wanting to attack op?
It's got everyone thinking. There is free speech.

That's why we will never curb climate change, everyone thinks it's someone else's problem without acknowledging they are part of the problem.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

It was like that when we were there at a similar time a couple of years ago. We had cancelled the year before as there were wildfires and as it was just post Covid, easy to change to Corfu.

I found it very hot and probably would avoid it as a holiday destination in the peak summer months.

I first went to Rhodes 22 years ago in early July it hit 42 degrees. I'm not a climate change sceptic it's happening, just not sure those temperatures on Rhodes are that unexpected.

I've been coming to Greece for 40 years, here now in fact. Its not unusual at all for temps to hit 40°.

just not sure those temperatures on Rhodes are that unexpected

It's not that they are unprecedented, no. What's likely is that current extremes will happen more often, and new extremes start to be seen.

I used to live in Turkey 20 years ago. The temperature was always over 40, sometimes hitting 50, in July and August. I would never go on holiday in either Greece or Turkey during those months now. When you read the temperatures online, add 10 degrees for an accurate picture.

I'm going in October half-term - temps look a more reasonable 25 degrees and it's cheaper and quieter than July so win win for me.

Do any of you ever read back your sly snipey messages? This site is so arsey these days, like the worst of Reddit or something. Jumping on op putting her on trial. Some of you need to get out (in the rain). You really are a miserable argumentative bunch. And it’s not just on this thread it’s all over the site.

We aren't even getting those temperatures. It has been damp and chilly all weekend. It's not just jumper weather where I live, but jumper and coat weather.

And the nights are so cold that our heating has been coming on in the morning.

China have over a thousand coal power stations while we wring our hands over the one we have. They are building more than the rest of the world put together - 2 plants every week. Coal power produces more green house gas emissions than any other source.

Really, telling the OP not to go on her annual hols is not going to have any impact on climate change when the likes of China and the US are pumping out green house gases without a second thought. You can say 'everyone thinks it's someone else's problem to deal with' but as long as China and the US, the biggest producers keep going the way they are there's very little difference anyone else can make. We are a tiny little country with very little impact on anything no matter how much we like to think otherwise.

Hope you had a wonderful time in Greece despite the heat OP, we certainly did.

A snapshot of the weekend, just for info:

Max temp measured at Rhodes airport on Saturday was 32 C.

Max yesterday was 33 C.

Those numbers come from the archived aviation weather observations and definitely will not have been tweaked by an app or to suit an agenda.

Thank you for thoughtful and informed comments, there are the odd baiting members just randomly looking for a reaction, not worth bothering with. Interested in discussing the issue and both the wider and individual impact.
I was reading in The Times yesterday about BP and that oil production/demand is falling at a much lower rate than demanded by COP21. I wonder at the accuracy of emission data produced by by countries like China.
We do what we can ourselves by driving a hybrid car, taking public transport, keeping the thermostat down, reducing, reusing, recycling, don't eat beef, having a compost heap and a water butt etc. I just think that the impact of climate change is more sobering now and that it can be felt first hand.

no one baiting
just smiling at the irony of where you are and how you got there

We normally go away in June or July but we're talking about changing to September next year as the last few years have been so hot.

I'd love not to fly for some warm weather but summers in the UK are so unreliable and depressing when the weather is poor.

Lots of people expect the same weather (with slight variations) every year. There are always going to be "abnormal" years every now and again. If we had floods every year we would just accept it as normal.

Not convinced by global warning it is just we are using 100 - 200 years of weather recording to base it on rather than thousands of years. It might be right but then again it might not.

We used to have an ice age but not seen anyone explain that yet not even Greta.

We are a tiny little country with very little impact on anything no matter how much we like to think otherwise.

We're damn good at renewables. That helps.

The UK has decarbonized its power sector faster than anywhere else (and similarly Norway switched to EVs faster than anywhere else).

Different countries are good at different aspects of this, and you get a sort of tipping point where the non-carbon option suddenly becomes the norm in that country, rather than something done by ecofreaks. Then it (with luck) gets cheaper for the rest of the world to do the same.

Not convinced by global warning it is just we are using 100 - 200 years of weather recording to base it on rather than thousands of years. It might be right but then again it might not.

Not true. Climate records can be obtained from ice cores (thousands of years), tree rings (centuries), microscopic sea fossils, land fossils, lake mud (all millions of years), old records of harvest dates (centuries to millennia)... really rather a lot of factors.

I suggest a quick google about the pollution generated from shipping Vs cars before you start thinking that you're making a difference by occasionally taking the bus!

Rhodes airport is right on the coast where temperatures are generally cooler than inland.

itistooeasy · 13/07/2024 11:10
not a hint of global warming here in the UK this summer 😞

Colder, wetter summers in the UK are the result of global warming.

Yep, Fair point…been there a few times..

I merely offer the data as probably the closest you’ll get to somewhere on the island providing objective numbers, though thinking about it there may be one or two automated stations dotted around feeding some of the amateur weather sites.

OTOH Temperatures recorded on bus/shop/pharmacy thermometers are often quoted but they can be subject to a whole host of errors due to their positioning relative to the Sun, surface that they are mounted on and umpteen other factors.

This is the first summer in 20 years we're not going to Greece. Last year we were in Rhodes during the fires, but even before that it was unbearably hot and we had already decided we wouldn't be coming back in the summer. Usually there is some relief by the sea but last year there was just a fierce hot wind blowing down the beach - fanning the fires once they got started. We are heading to Scotland this year for something completely different.