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Airbnb charging for damage we didn't cause

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kategrogen · 12/07/2023 10:01

We recently stayed in an Airbnb house in Italy. The house was very big, very old, lots of rooms and furniture, most of it well-used - it's clearly been a family house for a long time.

Shortly after we left, the host sent me a message accusing us of breaking a chest of drawers (she sent me a photo of a crack on the side of it) and said the whole thing would have to be replaced. I told her quite truthfully that we had not caused that damage.

She's taken this through the Airbnb damage process and they've decided we have to pay for it. They say that because we didn't report the damage as soon as we checked in, they 'cannot exclude' our responsibility. They keep going on about how we should have 'notified the host of the problem immediately' or 'canncelled our reservation' so Airbnb could have helped us find an alternative house. As if we would have done either of these over a small crack in the side of a piece of furniture we weren't using!

The policy seems absurd to me - are we really supposed to have gone around the house and made a list of every crack or small imperfection and send it to airbnb for our own protection? If so, they really need to make this clear at time of booking. It also seems contrary the general principle that if you're going to accuse someone of damage, you need to be able to prove it.

Does anyone have any advice on what i can do here? As it stands, they're going to charge my card several hundred pounds whether I agree or not.

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Thebigblueballoon · 12/07/2023 10:04

Sounds like a possible scam to me.
And if it’s an old/antique chest of drawers, they can develop cracks at any time.
I think it’s absurd that you have to pay for it, but I’m not sure how you can get out of it.

jotunn · 12/07/2023 10:06

Have you left a review yet? I would certainly do so and highlight to others that they need to carefully photograph the entire house on the day they move in or risk being pursued for damage they didn't cause.

A bad review might be enough to make the owner reconsider as it would be likely to put off a lot of potential renters.

kategrogen · 12/07/2023 10:12

No, the time period had expired for a review and I didn't want to leave one because I didn't want her to to leave me a bad one in return, accusing me publicly of the damage and putting future hosts off renting to me.

Airbnb's position seems to be that because I can't prove we didn't cause the damage, then they're just going to take the money from my card. It seems totally unfair that a random sum determined by them can just be deducted from my card without my authorisation and with no real basis for doing so!

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Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 12/07/2023 10:14

Please cancel that card. And seek legal advice. They are scammers op.

DogInATent · 12/07/2023 10:17

Take it up with one of the media consumer champions, e.g.
https://www.theguardian.com/money/series/yourproblems+consumer-affairs

User9753224 · 12/07/2023 10:28

Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 12/07/2023 10:14

Please cancel that card. And seek legal advice. They are scammers op.

This 100% cancel the card pronto

Im99912 · 12/07/2023 10:28

Report your card as lost right now and ask for a new account number
At least by doing this they shouldn’t be able to charge the card

FatherJackHackettsUnderpantsHamper · 12/07/2023 10:40

They say that because we didn't report the damage as soon as we checked in, they 'cannot exclude' our responsibility. They keep going on about how we should have 'notified the host of the problem immediately' or 'canncelled our reservation' so Airbnb could have helped us find an alternative house. As if we would have done either of these over a small crack in the side of a piece of furniture we weren't using!

This is outrageous. You're holidaymakers, not property surveyors. Why should you be expected to spend the first hours of your holiday going over their house forensically and noting every little flaw - which they could then still dispute and say "Well, that wasn't like that when we checked before you arrived"?

This definitely sounds like a scam. It makes me thing of dodgy car rental places that check the car over on return, 'happen to' head straight to a hidden spot under the bumper and 'find' an inconsequential scuff that 'will cost £300 to repair'. Then they 'find' it every time and charge every customer to 'repair' it, but of course they never do repair it, because that would put paid to their lucrative their scam!

Is there any way you can demand that they send you a clear photo of the undamaged furniture - with clear metadata showing that it was taken shortly before you arrived? If they're so meticulous about checking every little thing after you leave, they should be just as meticulous in checking it before you arrive.

kategrogen · 12/07/2023 10:44

This is outrageous. You're holidaymakers, not property surveyors. Why should you be expected to spend the first hours of your holiday going over their house forensically and noting every little flaw - which they could then still dispute and say "Well, that wasn't like that when we checked before you arrived"?

Exactly my point! It's a ridiculous line of reasoning. Their emails are so frustrating and full of insincere 'we're sorry you're unhappy with our policy, you are a valued guest' nonsense.

I have just cancelled my whole credit card - which is annoying to have to do - but apparently there's no way you can block just one website.

I guess it means I will be blacklisted with airbnb now so won't be able to use them again but not sure I'd want to now tbh.

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SistersNotCisters · 12/07/2023 10:52

They should have insurance for large stuff like this. Happy to hear you cancelled your card. Don't give them a damn penny. Airbnb is awful and needs to disappear. People can't afford to buy or rent in their own home towns because all the houses are being bought up by people making a fortune doing next to nothing. Don't even get me started on the ones who demand a full house scrubbing, dishes, floors, bins, bedding, and everything else then demand a £150 cleaning fee on top.
AirBnb where people short term let a room or two in their home was a great idea.

MissAmbrosia · 12/07/2023 10:56

This is disgraceful. I always refuse to use them.

dreamingofsun · 12/07/2023 10:57

many years ago an owner of a cottage in devon said we had damaged a dining chair and wanted to charge us a vast amount to replace it (equivalent to whole table and 4 chairs). I complained to the agency and they said she ought to claim it on insurance and didnt hear again. Like you i wouldnt have considered checking every piece of furniture when we arrived...and it could have been something damaged that wasnt immediately obvious, eg plumbing.

kategrogen · 12/07/2023 11:02

I'm just staggered that the process is legally allowed to work like this.

They keep saying the owner has provided 'documentation' that gives them 'reason to believe' we caused the damage, but all she can possibly have provided is photos of the damage and the receipt/invoice for replacement - neither of which show we caused the damage. I know for a fact they can't have any evidence that we caused the damage because we didn't! They don't share any of this 'evidence' with us for us to inspect, so we just have to take their word for it.

It's just so frustrating that they can just make some vague statements and come to a decision on a whim and deduct whatever they choose from people's cards. It doesn't seem right that it's allowed.

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Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 12/07/2023 11:24

If they contact you again suggest your solicitor wants to see photos from when the property was cleaned and inspected prior to your stay - time stamped of course.. .. And the pics of apparently after it was damaged. I'm fact send that request yourself. If Airbnb do ban you uolaod the conversation and lack of any evidence..

kategrogen · 17/07/2023 09:28

Update: Airbnb are really doubling down on this. I've pointed out that it's on them to prove we caused the damage before they can charge us for it, and they just keep saying 'the correct process has been followed' and the host has updated evidence (i.e. photos of the damage plus invoice for replacement cost) and as I haven't uploaded any evidence, they win basically. I keep saying this isn't evidence that we caused the damage but they keep saying we should have logged it as damaged when we arrived.

I've cancelled my card but they're talking about debt recovery agencies, courts etc to try to enforce the payment?? I'm also really annoyed that this will mean I can't use Airbnb again because although I now think they're a terrible company, that cuts off so many holiday accomodation options for the future.

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Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 17/07/2023 09:31

Let them threaten court... It isn't up to you to prove your innocence but them to prove you guilty. Given the receipts etc you have they will look bloody stupid imo. Do not give in op.

kategrogen · 17/07/2023 10:53

Yeah, I think I know how this is going to go...they won't be able to take the payment (I don't think they even expect to be able to, in the email they even advise me to talk to my bank if I'm not happy about the payment!), then they'll just ban me, citing behaviour not in line with their Terms of Service, seeing as their terms of service apparently give them the right to charge what they want without any proof.

So I don't really think they'll send the courts after me, but I do think I'll end up without an Airbnb account, which still feels unfair give that I've done nothing wrong and have always had good reviews from hosts.

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Dindundundundeeer · 17/07/2023 12:52

Would you even want to use them again after this. I think Air BnB is getting a really bad reputation for such nonsense.

kategrogen · 17/07/2023 12:54

No, I'd definitely be less inclined. It's just sometimes an Airbnb is the best option if you don't want a hotel for certain types of breaks. It's just annoying that it's going to close the whole option off to me when I've done nothing wrong.

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LashesZ · 17/07/2023 13:07

We had the exact same thing last month. I cancelled the card, lots of threats of bailiffs etc. sent all evidence to Air bnb of the host saying they "knew it wasn't us but have to put a claim in to get the money back and I can dispute it no problem" !!!
In the end Air bnb rang me out of the blue for alternative payment having clocked that the card was bouncing. I had a very stern word with the agent and they agreed to close the case. Stay strong and calm - you shouldn't have to foot the bill!

orangelotus · 17/07/2023 13:20

you can just set up a new account email etc. if you really want to use them again
i've stopped using them because we had a horror house in italy as well nothing like the description- they bed s were full
of ants such an awful experience. That place was really like a death trap and it would have taken an entire day to have documented every broken item . Stand firm. Do you have any legal cover with your holiday insurance or home insurance?

kategrogen · 17/07/2023 13:41

LashesZ · 17/07/2023 13:07

We had the exact same thing last month. I cancelled the card, lots of threats of bailiffs etc. sent all evidence to Air bnb of the host saying they "knew it wasn't us but have to put a claim in to get the money back and I can dispute it no problem" !!!
In the end Air bnb rang me out of the blue for alternative payment having clocked that the card was bouncing. I had a very stern word with the agent and they agreed to close the case. Stay strong and calm - you shouldn't have to foot the bill!

Thanks @LashesZ this is helpful.

Can I ask what your stern word was?

I feel like Ive been increasingly stern in my emails but it's like talking to a brick wall. They just keep saying I haven't submitted any 'evidence' that I'm not responsible so there's nothing they can do.

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FeltCarrot · 17/07/2023 13:45

We stayed in an air bnb apartment in Venice a few months ago. There was an IKEA mirrored shoe cabinet right behind where the front door opened. At me point during our stay we must have pushed the door open a little too hard and it cracked one of the mirrors.
Owner was glad we’d reported it and no bill was issued for repairs, but it was a really stupid place to put it.

cstaff · 17/07/2023 14:09

I would love to know how often they have pulled this stunt. It sounds like easy money to be made if your furniture has a crack in it - you would nearly make sure that you have a crack in your bed or table or whatever just to try this BS every time someone stays there.

Sunnydaysarentagiveneveninjuly · 17/07/2023 16:24

Screen shot the photo of their ad of the kitchen. Say that's what the hob looked like when you left... They can't prove you wrong op..

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