If quarantine is lifted, would you still go abroad this summer? Why?

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We are in two minds. We still haven't changed or cancelled our holiday to Spain. The quarantine would be impossible for us but if it is lifted, we are thinking we may go but so much to think about.

Wondered what others are thinking

We will be travelling via Euro Tunnel in August driving down to our holiday home in France.
Our department has no new cases for a few weeks now which makes us less anxious.
We are looking to relax with some heat going for cycles & long walks along the many pathways locally and catching up with our neighbours and friends.
Will also continue with good hygiene when out.

We are adults and able to make our own decisions thanks. Judge away very excited for our trip. You make your decisions we will make ours.

The adults "making their own decisions thanks" have resulted in the area we live in being under threat of lockdown again

We won't be going abroad this year. Hopefully we will go to France and Holland next year and drive using Eurotunnel.

We have thought about a week or even long weekend in the UK this year but will wait a bit and see what happens. We like going out to castles, museums, art galleries etc and they are either not open or you have to book.

Also, although we both like cooking and don't mind cooking on holiday we also like the choice if we do want to eat out. Again, lots of places not open and ones that are have to be booked. Not sure how we feel about eating out anyway.

Me and DH don't see the point of paying to stay in another house/cottage when we have a perfectly good house and garden with a comfortable bed, good shower etc. The weather in the UK is too unreliable to think we will be content just going for walks every day

| wouldn't but then I'm cautious. We live in Cornwall and did think about doing a few nights on the other coast but infection rates have doubled down here over the last week so I don't think we'll be going anyway by the time school hols come!

Yes Gin the reason for your lock down is actually me and my family 🙄 what a silly comment.

We are driving getting a cabin on the ferry and staying in a remote house in my husbands home country so we know the language and culture. If it all goes to hell we can drive home in 8 hours. I fail to see how that puts us or anyone else at risk and is no different to going to a holiday cottage in this country. Very much looking forward to a break from this country and it’s bad tempered neurotics.

We cancelled ours last week. Initially we were going to carry on because the flight would have been manageable from one small regional airport to another and sitting by the pool if nothing else was open would be alright. However, looking at the regulations in the other country mask wearing is compulsory everywhere in public not just on the flight. I think wearing a mask in that heat would be unbearable, not to mention the tan lines. The other levels if the R number goes up would mean the pool and restaurant would have to operate on 30% occupancy and overall the trip would be pretty rubbish.

Farahilda well next week it will be as I'm going to Lanzarote which is a country on the list that the government says is safe.

I wouldn't be going otherwise.

Yes Gin the reason for your lock down is actually me and my family 🙄 what a silly comment.

The reason for my "silly comment" is that many adults in our area are "making their own decisions", which is not travelling by car to a remote cottage as you are, but meeting up in large groups and not socially distancing at all.

The adults "making their own decisions thanks" have resulted in the area we live in being under threat of lockdown again

The rules now state that people can travel around England and to some countries abroad for non essential journeys. Therefore people will do so and are allowed to. To be honest, most of the countries are less risky than many places in England anyway.

I've been looking on Instagram at the place we normally visit in Spain and I thought everyone had to wear a mask but the videos and stories on Instagram don't show this at all.

It's compulsory to wear a mask in Spain unless you can always socially distance 1.5 metres according to FCO.

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/coronavirus-

I've got nonlkans to go anywhere, I just feels too risky, not the risk of catching the virus particularly but the risk that the holiday would be ruined by restrictions or my worst fear, something happening while we're away and not being able to travel back. Remember those families stuck in hotels at the beginning?

Team Swift here. Sounds pretty sensible, go and bloody enjoy it. And i wear a mask in 40 degree heat. It is doable. Most things are, except to Brits, in England

And the UK definition of lockdown is most certainly on the looser side of things

All those saying you hope to go away, would you still go if you've been told to self isolate by contact tracers? I've just been reading that there'll be no refunds or insurance payouts in that situation.

Most things are, except to Brits, in England

I think you will find that most Brits, in all parts of the UK, are much more capable than you give them credit for. Perhaps try looking outside MN. It isn't the real world.

No, to travel internationally during a pandemic is both selfish & irresponsible IMHO.

And the UK definition of lockdown is most certainly on the looser side of things

Which is probably why we have the highest death rate in Europe. The young people are getting sick and tired of the restrictions and have been gathering in large groups in my area with very little evidence of social distancing, especially when you see the amount and type of rubbish they are leaving behind - empty alcohol containing cans and bottles and empty nitrous oxide cannisters. These are the adults "making their own decisions thanks" in my area that I was referring to, not people who drive to remote self catering cottages.

The local paper has reported that the villages round where I live have higher rates of coronavirus than elsewhere in the borough. The irony is that it doesn't fit the sterotypical picture - very few BAME families, not densely populated at all, mostly owner occupied houses with very few rented properties, loads of open space space etc. The risk factors are the crowds of young people gathering together in fields, and the number of care homes in the district.

The police are having to break up illegal raves in some cities.

I dropped DD off at her year 2 student accommodation on Thursday, and there is not much evidence of social distancing among the students in the area.

Spain locks down an area near Barcelona with 400,000 people after spike in coronavirus cases just as Britons prepare to head out there on long-awaited summer holidays

@Roselilly36

No, to travel internationally during a pandemic is both selfish & irresponsible IMHO.

This. Those of you planning to travel to Ireland, please don’t. We now have the lowest rates of infection in Europe thanks to extremely hard work on all our parts, a government who listened to public health expert and every single child being out of school since March. Our children will not go back to school in September if there is a resurgence due to travel.

@PhoneLock

Most things are, except to Brits, in England

I think you will find that most Brits, in all parts of the UK, are much more capable than you give them credit for. Perhaps try looking outside MN. It isn't the real world.

That is a great point @PhoneLock. I was getting sucked into the vibe. Sorry

I doubt we will. Going to places with other people is stressful at the moment - masks (which I support wearing but find unpleasant), endless hand sanitising, doing the 2m dance to try to avoid people... I go on holiday to relax and have fun. I'm just not sure I would under these conditions.

FWIW I'm not particularly worried about catching Covid - we are all in low risk groups. But the possibility of getting stranded wouldn't be fun. My in-laws were in Spain in March just as it shut down. It was very touch and go as to whether they would be able to get home, then they were required to quarantine themselves for two weeks when they did (not in the uk).

I feel like going somewhere on holiday in the UK would be just as risky as anywhere in Europe. Do you agree?

If that is the case, is the main issue being hospitalised abroad?

Our insurance company have just said that they cover Covid if we contract it on holiday and need hospital treatment as long as fco and govt have agreed travel is safe

We were originally planned for Asia. Issues with that:

1. Insurance covers covid, it does not cover flights refusing entry if one of us has a temperature, it does not cover quarantine costs.
2. As we had internal flights we could end up stranded somewhere.
3. There's quarantine there and quarantine here so holiday would be 2 weeks in a Thai government facility and 6 weeks needed off work.
4. Many things still shut, masks everywhere, masks on plane, risk of getting from planes as 1,000 people on, baggage handlers etc, risk of getting from toilets on journey. Not a holiday to us.
5. Not fair to take it over there, not a responsible thing to do. UK is very high risk relatively and would be potentially taking it from plane to people not able to afford healthcare.

As to Europe

1. Insurance cover is patchy, ours wouldn't cover, could buy new but wouldn't cover a local lockdown, quarantine etc, potential to lose a lot.
2. Plane journey / public toilets higher risk than not using - possible to avoid in UK.
3. Risk of local lockdowns though could happen in UK too, easier to manage here.
4. Would not look forward to it - things closed, masks, risk of quarantine, refused flight, risk of losing all our money.
5. Only places you can drive to abroad we didn't want to go to, prefer UK destinations.
6. If get ill in UK can get home in a few hours. Think its unlikely as self-catering and remote. Know we have free healthcare in UK.
7. Don't want to spend ages in car getting anywhere, ours is small and air con not great.
8. A lot of Europe are sensibly making us quarantine 14 days or not allowing entry, that's another 14 days off work at a time when redundancies are being made / businesses are risk of going under.
9. Don't want to holiday in a mask, with things closed, wouldn't enjoy it and asd child so why waste money. Don't think its right to ignore local rules.

10. Would prefer to have holiday when we can have it normally.

I'm just looking for a night away in the UK at Christmas. The prices for a Travelodge or premier inn has shot up from last year. Its not filling me with hope for going anywhere regulary from now on in like we used to.

Might be back to one local holiday a year at this rate and stay within two hours from home.

If I could go abroad, I was insured and could afford it I'd go. I think the tourist industry is going to be badly hit and that will run into 2021 and beyond.

A lot of companies will fold