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should i let dh take dd to madagascar?

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SenoraPostrophe · 29/05/2006 21:54

well?

dd will be 4. I will stay at home with ds, who will be just 3, and ds2 (probably) who will be 4 months. it is a high risk malaria zone (but apparently thye new drugs are 98% effective with few side effects - is that true?). i know dd would love it, but we're talking 4 weeks over xmas and she'd miss me.

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moondog · 30/05/2006 15:13

Nothing to do in Madagascar??!!!
Come on!!!!

I refuse to subscribe to this bizarre notion that children need entertainment above and beyond the joy and excitement of travelling to a new place.
If they don't find this a treat enough in itself,it speaks volumes about the parenting styles prevalent in the developed world.

bluejelly · 30/05/2006 15:17

MD I've travelled loads in the developing world and there's plenty of places I wouldn't bring dd.

oliveoil · 30/05/2006 15:18

I would miss dd1 if she went somewhere for 4 days so 4 weeks would definitely be out.

Calm down MD, I can see exactly where Coolmama is coming from.

bluejelly · 30/05/2006 15:20

I have taken her to Morocco and Thailand which she loved.
Would be loathe to take her off the beaten track in India though...

Pruni · 30/05/2006 15:23

DH used to travel all over with his mother. I don't think he has opened a colouring book in his life. Formative experiences that turned him into who/what he is now vs a handy McDonalds....
However four weeks at four years old, and over Christmas, just sounds like the timing is off rather than the wish to do it. Could it be shortened/rescheduled slightly?

SenoraPostrophe · 30/05/2006 15:39

where are you polly?

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Coolmama · 30/05/2006 15:51

Moondog - what would your suggestions be for a 4 yr old for 4 weeks in a country where, for the most part, they don't even have wrapping paper never mind xmas presents or a tree -

Coolmama · 30/05/2006 15:59

just fyi - I have no problem with the idea of the trip, it's just that having been there, I think that 4 weeks there is a really long time and over xmas at that -

moondog · 30/05/2006 16:01

I live in such a country CM,and have lived in many suchlike.
You walk,talk to people,eat,look at things,talk about thing,travel..
The sort of thing that anyone likes doing.

katierocket · 30/05/2006 16:04

Yes I think 4 weeks seems like a long time for her to be away from you (from your point of you not hers probably). Just one other point, lower down a poster said,

"Tbh I don't think children that young know or care whether they are in Southend or South Africa."

I would strongly disagree with this, we went to Oz for 3 weeks with DS (4.5) and he saw it as a huge adventure and loved every minute.

It's a tough call though. Not sure I'd fancy 4 weeks alone with all the children while my DH went away though. I did 2 weeks last year when he went to South Africa and I was desperate for him to come back by the end.

Mercy · 30/05/2006 16:53

Katierocket, it was me who said that. My point was that children do see holidays as a big adventure, exactly as you say. But I still think the location isn't especially important for young children.

sparklemagic · 30/05/2006 17:55

I agree with Mercy, it probably isn't worth it to your DD actually, at four years old. She won't remember enough of it to make it worth it in my view, I would rather save the money and go when the kids were all over 6 or 7...I think four weeks without her mum and home would end up an ordeal for her. And I agree, having a four year old with him would mean your DH would only get a fraction 'done' of what he could without a child of that age.

I honestly think that 99% of four year olds would rather have christmas at home than this sort of holiday. It will all mean more to her in future years, but not now.

And yes, four weeks without my DS would be too much for me too, agree with hulababy, but I think there are enough good reasons to say no to this, the selfish ones don't need to come into it really in my view.

PollyLogos · 30/05/2006 18:29

SP I'm in Greece - used to be GRMUM.

I've been here 20 years and have always loved it but some of the idiosycracies and basic difficulties are getting harder and harder to live with. (eg. now my children are older I am desperate to get a permanent job but it is just about impossible/I worry about pensions/health care etc more than i used too)

My children are so far through greek schooling though that there is no chance of doing anything in the near future.

ScummyMummy · 30/05/2006 18:48

Are you not a christmas family, SP? Been thinking about this more and I would actually hate to spend Christmas without my partner. I'm afraid i would be very hurt if he wanted to go away without me over Christmas for a full month! Is that really insecure of me or are you unusually chilled about separating in good cause?

LadyWitchofWaterford · 30/05/2006 19:35

I do KNOW that Madagascar is NOT Mauritius, there was no need to point that out, whoever it was.

Coolmama · 30/05/2006 19:45

That would have been me Ladywitch - added purely because I am very aware that there are people who do not realise that some exotic-sounding countries are actually not luxurious at all and in no way shape or form resemble any idea of an exotic destination - it was purely a comment and not meant to be facetious or anything else -

moondog · 30/05/2006 19:51

lol at country mix up

SenoraPostrophe · 30/05/2006 19:54

Grin @ mnetters having a row over madagascar. not sure why that makes me laugh but it does.

anyway. scummy - no I guess we're not as christmassy as most people. but then dd (the oldest) is only just 4. maybe it'll take a few more years of stockings and paper chains to convince dh. before she was born we spent roughly half of our christmasses apart because he doesn't really "do" family, and I would rather we were apart than rowing over it. But the reason i don't begrudge him this trip is that travel to exotic places is in his blood and it just isn't really in mine. Plus we've both had the most horrendously stressful year at work and he's had no holiday at all in 2 years (I've had a few weeks at my mum's). It has to be christmas because of the business in fact - because we can shut it down then.

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SenoraPostrophe · 30/05/2006 19:55

cm - I didn't think exotic meant luxurious.

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Chandra · 30/05/2006 20:09

Don't know if this have been mentioned but have a little monkey jumping around and have not time to finish reading. Another aspect to consider is how a man and his friend would cope with babysitting a 4yr old 24/7. We have gone in holidays with a friend who after a couple of days being limited by the needs and requirements of our DS (being not able to go out at night, be to the pub, going to the toilet many times during the day, etc) he seemed really tired even when he is a father himself, I would not imagine how he would cope if his 4 weeks trip is so limited because his friend brought a child. Just a thought. Besides, although DH is very good at taking care of DS, more than a week in his own with DS will test his patience to the limits, more if they are in an unfamiliar environment.

LadyWitchofWaterford, reg. why your friends who lived in a malaria country for 4 yrs didn't take the malaria profilaxis... well, as far as I know, if you take it for years the secondary effect is not vomiting but blindness.

JanH · 30/05/2006 20:37

I'm trying to fight the suspicion that he knows he will be able to go alone when the votes are in, SP Grin

In which case I think you are entitled to insist that he gets only 2½-3 weeks, not 4. If travelling in and out of jungle is 7-8 days that still leaves him 10-14 days bonding with lemurs or snakes or whatever else he wants to do.

LadyWitchofWaterford · 30/05/2006 21:14

ha ha Janh! True, true.

Yes, sorry at taking offence at Madagascar vs Mauritius, very childish of me, apologies... :)

It was my parents (well, mum and step father) who didn't take malaria meds and lived in Mauritius for years btw)

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/06/2006 16:59

SP

Would rather he take your DD to see the film rather than the country at her tender age!. I don't think he fully realises what he could be letting themselves (particularly her) in for...

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bamboozleslover · 28/07/2006 00:07

if it wasn't for the fact it was over xmas i would probably say let him take her - is there some reason why it can only be at xmas?

Chandra · 28/07/2006 00:53

I wonder what was the outcome of it, are they back yet?

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