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Daughter struggling at Oxford

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ThePoliteWriter · 16/10/2026 14:49

My daughter is in her second week at Oxford studying English and German. She settled in ok during Freshers Week but is already finding the workload and time management a bit overwhelming. She worked really hard over the summer to do all of the preparatory work but has now discovered that the joint honour students had been sent the wrong instructions for English. This means she has done a lot of "unnecessary" work and, more importantly , has not done some of the required reading eg Ulysses! On top of trying to catch up with this, she is overwhelmed by the huge amount of reading required by one of her tutors and is finding the whole system very difficult to navigate. Of course she has also been unwell with " Freshers flu". Is this normal for Oxford? I have had several tearful phone conversations with her and feel unsure how to support her. She doesn't even seem to know who her personal tutor is. Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

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BeethovenNinth · 17/10/2026 07:37

I’m not sure kids know what these reading lists mean. You can’t possibly study every word like you did at school. I did law - we had huge reading lists. I read the really important ones and looked at the summaries of the others. You just need to get through.

agree with visiting her, check she is sleeping and eating. Finding other students to have a laugh about it

AlteFrau · 17/10/2026 07:48
  • I don't think Joint Honours is great for someone hyper conscientious. Is it possible to try for a term and then change to single?
  • Trying to learn to read faster would be good
  • I don't want to catastrophic, but there is support for students dealing with mental health issues - anxiety, crying etc. It is better to access this support at an early stage before problems escalate.
  • It is a weird world there. Some of the people who flourish there don't function well elsewhere. Some who don't especially enjoy that environment blossom later.
  • Eating, taking some exercise and pursuing an existing hobby or developing a new one are all important.
  • Also trying to find others who are grounded and sane, rather than insanely competitive.
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RockyKeen · 17/10/2026 08:36

WhatNextImScared · 17/10/2026 05:53

This is a separate issue and doesn’t really help the OP.

But I went to a RG uni and the workload for an arts degree was slack. So there is a big problem that the pressure is so intensely high at Oxbridge but really nothing like it at just the next tier down.

It’s does depend on the uni . My daughters had a high workload on their combined degrees ( one did languages , Spanish and Portuguese as part of hispanice studies plus culture and literature modules and Italian as her combined module , the other did archaeology and ancient history . It’s true though some unis and dine courses do have a higher or lower workload than others and it doesn’t make a difference if it’s rg or post 92. It’s course dependent and department dependent. There will be discrepancies even within unis .

PieLittlePony · 17/10/2026 09:09

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 07:20

Oh yes. No-one* has "read" Ulysses and it's frankly a standing joke that most undergrads (and beyond...) have never even cracked the cover!

Frankly, the very impressive extent of @PieLittlePony's attempt marks her out as a particularly swotty swotty swot swot 😉.

Thank you, I will take this as a huge compliment 🙂

AlteFrau · 17/10/2026 09:16

I did read all of Ulysses, but as a third year student doing a special paper on James Joyce. (Having read Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man for A-level.) If the point of doing it as a first year, is to get a sense of 20th modernism, then I'd agree that reading a few sections in detail, and skimming the rest/even skipping a feww would probably provide a good enough starting point.

trickyex · 17/10/2026 09:23

OP you have had lots of good advice on here already which I won't repeat,
My DS did joint honours at Oxford and he has told me that he regrets this choice. He was state educated too btw.
He is very academic and driven but he said his workload was double that of his friends doing single honours, making it hard to balance his time and energy.
Could DD consider dropping one subject?
I hope things get easier for her. Oxford is a shock to the system I think.

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 09:26

PieLittlePony · 17/10/2026 09:09

Thank you, I will take this as a huge compliment 🙂

As you should! Just don't tell me you've also read Finnegans Wake or I shall feel extremely inadequate! 😆

Jrisix · 17/10/2026 09:33

Oxford is intense, I taught undergraduates there and I wouldn’t have coped with it if I’d gone myself at that level. At any university you have to find support for yourself much more than at school and not wait for someone to notice and help you. I wish I had known that as a first year at my RG university. She should reach out to her college parents, be proactive with her college tutor, join something extracurricular for socialising and if needed use the counselling service (I did as a postgraduate and it was very helpful).

Lily999888 · 17/10/2026 09:36

My daughter did English Lit but not at Oxford. As others have said, you do get used to speed reading and she found audio books to be her friend too when she had lots to read, usually at 1.5 or even twice the speed when she was really pushed!

GirlsInGreen · 17/10/2026 09:43

@ThePoliteWriter I hope DD has a lovely day matriculating today.
FWIW my DD has had freshers flu all week, been a bit wobbly at times, but its only a couple of weeks in.
The sun is shing today in Oxford (got a 7 oclock call!) and DD is super excited, hopefully prancing aroynd in sub fusc will lift spirits😁

PieLittlePony · 17/10/2026 09:47

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 09:26

As you should! Just don't tell me you've also read Finnegans Wake or I shall feel extremely inadequate! 😆

No don't worry, no danger there!

But I do think there is a serious point from all the posters here for OP and her daughter - that studying literature at university is completely different from A-level and is about gaining a broad understanding of different periods, movements and critical approaches, and then as @AlteFrau says, choosing favourites subjects on which to focus. Personally I found my History A-level much more useful preparation for this than my English A-level ...

namezchangez · 17/10/2026 09:54

I teach this course, but am definitely not your daughter’s tutor (no EML students this year at my college)! Is she doing Paper 3 or Paper 4 for English? If it’s Paper 4 (20c/21c) the teaching isn’t usually until next term so she can do the reading at Christmas and won’t in fact have much English at all this term.

EML Prelims are quite tough, I think, but then it reverses on the English side. Only Finals count towards the degree classification. The year abroad is a whole year to read and think about material that everyone else is examined on while you’re still abroad…

How many other EML students does she know? Getting advice from the older students at her own college will be really useful, and making friends also reading English and German at other colleges.

Two of my freshers have been upset about things this week too. The intensity of freshers’ week (intense boozing, among other things) makes the first week of actual term a struggle; I feel the JCRs tend to overdo the organized fun. Tell her to get some good nights of sleep and that loads of other people feel the same way.

MargaretThursday · 17/10/2026 10:22

I remember when I arrived someone described it as:

You've been top of your school all the way up, didn't have to do that much work to be at the top end of the class. You're grade 8 in an instrument, play sports at a county level, you had a strong friendship group and always got the top part in your drama group.
Then you arrive at Oxford and find that your next door neighbour wrote a symphony in their spare time which is being performed next month by the BBC Philharmonic orchestra; your try out for the team in your sport meant you were surrounded by people who were on the national squad, you've got to start from scratch friendship wise and everyone else seems to have met their bosom mate on the first day, and you thought you recognised your subject mate from somewhere and it turns out she's been on TV since she was 6yo and to add to that you're now middle of the road academically. It's a huge shock.

The good news is that most people feel the same - even those that seem totally at ease.
For a start off, the people I knew that really struggled academically the first couple of weeks all settled down and did really well. One went from in his first term thought he'd have to drop out to getting in the top ten first in his (large) subject.
Encourage her to join a few societies and see how she gets on. Sometimes the silly ones can be the best. The friends I've kept up with over the years are all from a society I didn't join until about 3rd or 4th week.

And encourage her to go and talk. I was there over 30 years ago and there was loads of encouragement to speak to welfare - and many people went and had a cry on the shoulder of the welfare people. The chaplain almost certainly is one, but there will be plenty of others. Both my tutors were on the welfare list, although one was pretty taciturn in tutorials I believe that people who went to him with welfare issues found he was good.

And on the subject of tutors - they picked her. They do not want her to fail. So if she's struggling, go to them and ask for help. They're not going to give her the answers, but they will provide help. They won't get angry at her or think she's stupid - they're used to that and they would far rather someone came and asked for help, than struggled on feeling miserable.

The other thing is make sure she's eating at least one meal a day in halls. It's quite daunting going there in a lot of ways, especially when you are feeling new and vulnerable, but you end up meeting other people and chatting, and maybe someone saying "we're going to... come on..." (I went to some very dodgy interesting places through that) or second years telling you how they struggled in the first year etc. I found people didn't always sit with groups of friends as people arrive at different times (if they have formal hall every evening that might be different) so you'll often get chatting to the people near you.
I remember when a couple of the lads decided to "borrow" a dining hall bench... and the time someone fell off the table while carrying their food (believe it or not, we climbed over the table to get to the bench against the wall) and things like that make everyone laugh and join in together.

And matriculation is fun. Out in your sub fusc for the first time, getting tourists asking why you're wearing that. (although even more fun for exams because they don't believe the answer) The fun of all the boys who came with cuff links and don't know how to tie their bow ties and are wandering round asking for help with both. I remember the organ scholar declaring in despair that he was going to start charging for tying bow ties! Seeing the scholars' gowns getting caught on every doorknob and trying to resist using your mortar board as a frisbee. Not recommended. Friend had to buy another when it disappeared over the wall of a private house!

And then you get to promise not to take sheep into the library nor kindle any flames therein. Although maybe they've made that more up to date. Anyway did you know scholars of St John's have the right to graze sheep on St Giles? There's no grass there now, but maybe that's why they have that rule.
There's a good chance that tonight they'll have matriculation formal hall, where they'll probably be sat with their tutors and other subject students. Everyone is still feeling nervous and unsure and formal hall is so far out of most people's experiences, but it's shared and gives an opportunity to meet people.

Plan to go and visit her in 5th week. 5th week blues often hit hard that first term, and it will give her something to look forward to. Or maybe send her some money so she can take a few friendly people up to Little Clarendon Street to find G&Ds ice cream parlour next week. It's worth the walk.

Scungled · 17/10/2026 11:37

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 09:26

As you should! Just don't tell me you've also read Finnegans Wake or I shall feel extremely inadequate! 😆

I’ve read Finnegans Wake, though not sure ‘reading’ is quite the right word -though I adore Ulysses (Well, apart from the bits where Stephen Dedalus is being particularly up himself) I find FW generally annoying… If desperate, OP’s DD can get away with reading key episodes and the Blamires guide!

pinotnow · 17/10/2026 11:45

PieLittlePony · 17/10/2026 09:47

No don't worry, no danger there!

But I do think there is a serious point from all the posters here for OP and her daughter - that studying literature at university is completely different from A-level and is about gaining a broad understanding of different periods, movements and critical approaches, and then as @AlteFrau says, choosing favourites subjects on which to focus. Personally I found my History A-level much more useful preparation for this than my English A-level ...

How funny - my ds (2nd year doing history) has said several time his A level in Eng Lit has been far more useful to him than his history A level!

Anyway, OP, he is at Oxford and there have definitely been some wobbles over the last year, including now as his current module isn't quite what he thought it would be (keeping in mind he's not had a tutorial yet) and some of the optional ones he was hoping for aren't running. I've had middle of the night phone calls and messages and it has been probably my most challenging phase of parenting, tbh, but it's been peaks and troughs, not constant issues.And his prelims went very well so it's so far so good really.

He is so bad at asking for help and accessing support and is very good at saying it's rubbish for support, they don't care etc, but I think that's him and the catastrophic mindset he gets in sometimes, not a reflection of the university or his college. The parent system is great though and I know he has been very excited to become a father this year to pay back the support he had.

Well done to your dd for her first essay. I do think a lot of the students are incredibly hard on themselves.

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 14:02

Scungled · 17/10/2026 11:37

I’ve read Finnegans Wake, though not sure ‘reading’ is quite the right word -though I adore Ulysses (Well, apart from the bits where Stephen Dedalus is being particularly up himself) I find FW generally annoying… If desperate, OP’s DD can get away with reading key episodes and the Blamires guide!

Well done you! I can't quite remember whether it was one option of many on the reading list and so I legitimately chose to not to read it or whether I simply...didn't. Maybe I should pick it up one of these days just so I can legitimately dislike it, in the same way I hate-read the Wasteland and read the Elliot/Pound letters only because my annoyance with them increased with every one 😅(I seem to remember thinking that they were unutterably pompous and pretentious individuals but I was only 18!)

There's another tip, OP, see if your DD can cultivate an unreasonable dislike of an author or two and fuel her studying with spite!

I hope her good mark has her feeling better.

murasaki · 17/10/2026 14:16

AnnieGetYourPen · 17/10/2026 14:02

Well done you! I can't quite remember whether it was one option of many on the reading list and so I legitimately chose to not to read it or whether I simply...didn't. Maybe I should pick it up one of these days just so I can legitimately dislike it, in the same way I hate-read the Wasteland and read the Elliot/Pound letters only because my annoyance with them increased with every one 😅(I seem to remember thinking that they were unutterably pompous and pretentious individuals but I was only 18!)

There's another tip, OP, see if your DD can cultivate an unreasonable dislike of an author or two and fuel her studying with spite!

I hope her good mark has her feeling better.

Ha, I definitely used the hate thing with Cicero and Socrates. It's remarkably effective.

easterb · 17/10/2026 18:49

I went to Oxford quite a while ago now - different subject but same experience re workload. Also state educated which adds another layer of adjustment to the whole thing IME. It is mad workload - the sheer volume of the reading and number of essays you have to produce is so hard. One term I remember having to do 20 essays in 8 weeks. 16 was the standard. Plus lectures, tutorials, additional classes. Honestly I kind of hated the first term and wanted to leave. Also remember the tearful phone calls. Terms 2 and 3 slightly better. Passed Prelims and then it got much better in year 2 as felt I’d proved I deserved a place. Plus you get to choose your preferred options so just generally more interesting and enjoyable. And you feel more confident and have friends etc.

I think what your daughter is going through is really quite normal. A relative of mine studied Maths at Cambridge - straight 9s at GCSE, all A stars at A level, loads of Maths prizes etc - but he also struggled hugely in the first term or so and wanted to leave. He didn’t and ended up enjoying it.

Reassure her it’s normal and tell her to hang in there for a bit longer. Chances are it will be ok and, if not, there are loads of other great options out there for her.

Ilovemyfam · Yesterday 07:57

ThePoliteWriter · 16/10/2026 16:09

Thanks again for ( almost) all of the helpful advice on here . It has reassured me and given me some practical strategies to try. Like many of her peers, my daughter is a perfectionist and terrified of getting things wrong. I think the whole "Oxford" thing adds to the pressure. She is the first in our family to go there so we have limited knowledge of the work load and support available.

As you only live 40 minutes away a visit for a lunch and to drop off her favorite home made goodies sounds like a plan. I would, however tell her that you only plan to be there for an hour. Then at the end of the hour you ask her if it is ok to go.

I know that my high achiever would be sitting panicking thinking of the minutes ticking away during any visit.

So the visit sounds lovely but by making it short you will acknowledge that she has a lot on her plate

labradorservant · Yesterday 08:14

I went to Oxford. Non essay subject so no crazy reading list and all nighters so no advice there.
But don’t forget the people that get to Oxford are usually the best in their year. Always got top grades and told how brilliant they are. They get to
Oxford and they can’t be the best of the best and they do get challenged in tutorials and they can not be on top of it as they used to be. They won’t get the high marks and praise they used to get.
Its an adjustment and wad the downfall of some in my year.
Speak to others, in the year above too and ask for any ‘hacks’.
I got 15% in a collection one year. I still managed a 2.1! I was never getting a first so I just worked towards a 2.1. My now DH also realised a 1st took a lot of work and decided for a 2.1. It’s all just an adjustment and balance.

Sunshine99999 · Yesterday 08:21

My DD also found O a shock in terms of workload but I think the first year was the worst. Has your DD joined any clubs as they can be a great source of support too.

clary · Yesterday 12:34

Good suggestions already from lots of PPs @ThePoliteWriter .

Here’s a thought – if everyone (presumably) was sent the wrong work, can she get together with some of the other joint hons students and do a kind of study session where they help each other get caught up? Eg read a section of Ulysses and summarise for the others? Can be really supportive.

Yes no learning is wasted, and it may come up later. Her PT – they may not be called that but there will be someone. She needs to ask and not be worried about asking.

I didn’t go to Oxford but I recall being overwhelmed at the start of uni. For one thing (as I think a PP noted) I was at the top of the tree in my secondary school – but in my uni (Bristol) I was no one. She has worked hard and done so well to get where she is, and I imagine was the among the smartest in her school – now if her experience is like mine she is suddenly surrounded by ppl who spent the whole summer in Germany. Aaargh. But in fact it’s not a contest; she needs to do the best she can, whether that is better than others or not is irrelevant really.

Sympathy to her – I did joint hons (which was pretty common in my depts) and it was hard hard work, even with less intense terms than Oxford! Also the two depts didn’t connect or liaise at all tho things may be different now – so for example my friend who did German and politics – he didn’t study German politics whatsoever. Just three-quarters of one degree and three-quarters of the other (in my finals I did three papers for one school and the single hons folk did four).

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