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Did your DC drop an A level grade but still get accepted by the uni they firmed?

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WonkyTree25 · 25/10/2025 09:23

Did anyone’s DC miss a grade or two from their predictions and still get their firm? If so would you be willing to share which course and grades they still got accepted on?

Youngest DC applying to unis and weighing up choices. Her brothers did not achieve their predictions and lost their places in '21 and '22. DS1 dropped two grades AAA to ABB (Notts Psych) and DS2 one grade AAA to AAB (Bristol history). DS1 applied the year after the cohort given teacher assessed grades so there was very little in clearing - he did an unrelated subject with lower req’ts at Notts. DS2 in 2022 went to his insurance. Read that 2025 was a bit easier due to reduced int’l students and Covid pressures easing and I don’t see why this would change for the 2026 cohort but you never know! UCAS historical grades haven’t been updated for 2025 so there is no updated info for comfort! Remembering the stress of sorting DSs and it’s impacting our advice for DD, her school want her to be more ambitious but DH and I are stressing realism (and we have one of each in her choices but its the last three)! I fully appreciate things could change again this year but just curious about a general trend as in 21 and 22 unis were very, very inflexible and oh so easy to miss a grade by one or two marks. Thanks!

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tumtumtumtime · 26/10/2025 11:25

@WonkyTree25 i think others have also commented this but ucas have recognised the issue of worsening validity of predicted grades and are putting in training to help make predictions more accurate…it could be that your family is unlucky and attends a school where predictions are consistently off the mark, hence why i totally agree with you stressing the importance of realism! https://www.ucas.com/advisers/help-and-training/guides-resources-and-training/application-overview/predicted-grades-what-you-need-to-know-for-entry-this-year

Predicted grades – what you need to know for entry this year | UCAS

Guidance and support for advisers when predicting grades.

https://www.ucas.com/advisers/help-and-training/guides-resources-and-training/application-overview/predicted-grades-what-you-need-to-know-for-entry-this-year

StayClass · 26/10/2025 12:12

A friend works at a lower down the scale uni and she says they have had to take ever worsening grades to get bums on seat, as the RG type unis are accepting more students who don't make their offer grades. Possibly due to falling profits from international students.
One of mine's offer was ABB at a RG in 2024, they got ABC and were still offered a place (which they didn't take, but we won't go there!).

mamaduckbone · 26/10/2025 12:23

Yes.
Ds predicted 3As and needed 3As or A* A B for his firm.
He got A* B B and was still accepted.
It could have been because the A* was in the subject most closely aligned to his degree, could have been because he only missed the other 2 As by 1 & 3 marks (sooo frustrating for him, we had them remarked but no change) or could have been because he had a strong personal statement. We have no idea.

HarrietSchulenberg · 26/10/2025 12:23

One of mine did a BTEC as he wanted to do a very specific course at a specific uni. He was 1 grade off and his course wouldn't take him but he got onto a similar, industry specific, course at the same uni and is very happy at the outcome. It will make him more employable in a similar industry and will give him a skill set for opportunity to enter the original industry.
He's happy so it worked out.

EnchantingDecoration · 26/10/2025 12:32

Mine slipped two grades for a humanities subject at a just-below-RG uni this year and got in but got an A as predicted in the degree subject. She also got an A in her EPQ which was in the degree subject too. I think her predictions were accurate, it was a small school and the teachers knew her very well just a nightmare on the day with one paper resulting in a C not an A.

Fleurdelise · 26/10/2025 13:08

PerpetualOptimist · 26/10/2025 10:15

Certainly for my children's comp and attached sixth form, the communication about predictions was probably as good as it could be, and supported by statistics pertinent to the child as well as illuminating the picture at a national level.

Nevertheless, some students and parents did not necessarily pick up fully on the advice and teacher changes between Y12 and Y13 and/or teachers new to the school and/or all the things that can happen including the competing claims of social group dynamics, relationships, health, paid work etc etc., made the task harder still.

As @WombatChocolate highlights, the time 'window' for a teacher to make realistic predictions is very tight and prior to those crucial final months in Y13. Furthermore, I am sure our comp, with a very wide socio-economic intake, had to be careful to balance realism, grounded in stats, with the need to ensure students did not self-limit in terms of aspirations.

In our case my DD's school couldn't have done any better. They sent communication home to explain that PGs aren't negotiable (ie. parents were not allowed to push for higher grades) however they were more than happy to meet with the pupil and explain why a PG is as predicted. They are known to be quite accurate when it comes to PG, some might be missed but not by a huge drop. In my DD's case we knew one subject PG was aspirational and that is the one that wasn't achieved.

What I found shocking in the friend example I mentioned above was the drop in all subjects by several grades. I struggle to understand how a pupil gets predicted As and gets Cs and Ds on results day (Nothing out of the ordinary happened so to speak). I assume some schools do that in order to increase their chances of offers from top ranking Unis? I just don't see the point.

Doughtie · 27/10/2025 09:56

Really interesting posts from @Phphion .

We used the UCAS data on the actual grades achieved by accepted candidates per course.

I think part of the problem is universities asking for overinflated grades. It gives them a lot of control over their numbers but it puts all the uncertainty and stress on the student. All, eg, AAA standard offers are not equal. For example DD got a AAB offer for Royal Holloway when the UCAS data said their most common grades on entry 2022-24 were BBB. UEA, standard offer AAB, most common grades profile BBC. Treat it with caution, but it does give a sense of how strict they have been previously and gives some light and shade when choosing between unis with ostensibly the same entry requirements.

dormsy · 27/10/2025 11:07

Know quite a few who dropped grades for Bristol (dependent on course though- one had to swap courses), few at Exeter, couple each at Durham, York and Oxford.

EnchantingDecoration · 27/10/2025 11:52

We looked at the UCAS data on actual grades achieved/accepted too but I agree you need to be a little cautious because that will include those students with contextual offers which are lower than the standard offer (if your student isn't eligible themself).

SheilaFentiman · 27/10/2025 12:08

The thing to be cautious about in clearing is that a uni may put up clearing grades a couple below its standard offer but might only have a couple of places to fill, vs main round applications where they have 200 or whatever

Additionally, accommodation guarantees for clearing may be in private/higher cost halls.

SproutingBroc · 27/10/2025 13:31

We followed clearing very closely for the two years prior to entry. Obviously there are no guarantees. However, some courses were in clearing for both years at 5/6 grades lower than the tariff AND stayed in clearing for longer than we could be bothered to check. Other courses were either not in clearing, or only for a very short time and at the same or only slightly reduced grades. This meant that we 'knew' that even though the insurance choice was only one grade less than firm, it was in all probability a massive catch-all.

WonkyTree25 · 27/10/2025 16:44

Doughtie, the light and shade point is such a good way of describing it.

FYI, EnchantingDecoration - it isn't right that UCAS historical grades include contextual grades - if you hover over the '?' by the historic flags and go to the info page it says - "Providers can make contextual offers to students who have faced any circumstances or challenges that may have impacted education or qualifications. These types of offers are not flagged into the tool."

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HPFA · 27/10/2025 17:06

StayClass · 26/10/2025 12:12

A friend works at a lower down the scale uni and she says they have had to take ever worsening grades to get bums on seat, as the RG type unis are accepting more students who don't make their offer grades. Possibly due to falling profits from international students.
One of mine's offer was ABB at a RG in 2024, they got ABC and were still offered a place (which they didn't take, but we won't go there!).

There's a lot of resentment about this from unis lower down the scale.

Cardiff has actually published a working paper saying it took in too many "lower grade" students and now doesn't want them. Prompting an angry response from a lecturer at Bangor saying they had to close their chemistry course because too many of their target students were being poached by Cardiff.

As some are pointing out, if RG unis are taking in students at lower grades and cramming bums onto seats, what exactly is it that makes them "better" than other unis?

WombatChocolate · 27/10/2025 19:13

I suppose the market is contracting a bit because of less international students. Everyone can ‘shuffle up’ a tier. That means those who would have gone to lower rated RG might get higher rated RG. Those who were just outside RG level can make it in etc etc. With less students overall, all have to accept slightly lower grades than previously to fill - except maybe the tiny number of most in demand courses. So there is still a pecking order.

If the market contracts and unis have to close, it will be those that struggle to get bums on seats - and as stronger unis lower grades to fill, it will be low ranked unis that struggle. First they will close some courses and later who unis will probably need to close or change their role. Given upper tier unis have expanded a lot and need to fill and students will go to those if they can, lower tier will lose out.

It’s an opaque market because as mentioned upthread, many unis like to retain a sense of exclusivity - the official standard offer both helps them manage their numbers and appear desirable. But for lots, the reality is that significantly lower grades are accepted to fill. But many ‘consumers’ of HE are first time buyers (well all teens are nd first many parents it’s their first child or most don’t have enough kids to become truly ‘expert’ in the way it works) so only after the event really realise that the standard offer at most but the top tier and most competitive courses, really won’t be needed.

Lots later realise they could have gone somewhere ‘better’. Many won’t care or be bothered….and that’s just as well because if you did care, the realisation could be pretty galling.

I’d say that unless you’re looking at subjects like Econ and Comp Sci, or you’re looking at top 5-8 unis, almost all other courses and places will be taking people with lower grades. In fact even the top 5 often will. But for them it’s often a of taking firms who missed by a trade (and carefully selected students who achieved the required grades in the most relevant subject) rather than going to Clearing - and to get the offer in the first place for the top 5 places for many courses, esp the popular ones, in excess of the standard grades in terms of offers is needed as too many apply to all receive offers.

Clearing can be deceptive. For example, Durham was listed in Clearing for numerous courses from July. As results day got closer, the number of available courses dwindled and on results day, Clearing there had finished within an hour. Some of the available courses will have literally had a couple of spaces and grades accepted were only the standard offer grades or above. But other places will have had multiple places available and been taking pretty much any grades, esp as some of their own ‘firms’ upgraded to higher tier unis.

It takes a certain mindset to be willing to throw over your firm where you’re guaranteed accommodation, and snap up a place elsewhere where you might not be guaranteed accom or only get non uni- owned or expensive accom and not know for weeks. Most teens and families won’t go for that option even if they could get a ‘better’ uni. But for those who are up for it, some great ‘bargains’ can be had, especially in middling RG unis.

EnchantingDecoration · 27/10/2025 21:41

WonkyTree25 · 27/10/2025 16:44

Doughtie, the light and shade point is such a good way of describing it.

FYI, EnchantingDecoration - it isn't right that UCAS historical grades include contextual grades - if you hover over the '?' by the historic flags and go to the info page it says - "Providers can make contextual offers to students who have faced any circumstances or challenges that may have impacted education or qualifications. These types of offers are not flagged into the tool."

Ah ok, I stand corrected. We’re done with it now as my youngest is in year 1 now but I won’t repeat that again

StayClass · 28/10/2025 01:20

HPFA · 27/10/2025 17:06

There's a lot of resentment about this from unis lower down the scale.

Cardiff has actually published a working paper saying it took in too many "lower grade" students and now doesn't want them. Prompting an angry response from a lecturer at Bangor saying they had to close their chemistry course because too many of their target students were being poached by Cardiff.

As some are pointing out, if RG unis are taking in students at lower grades and cramming bums onto seats, what exactly is it that makes them "better" than other unis?

Funnily enough it's Bangor I was referring too, although friend isn't a lecturer.

1apenny2apenny · 28/10/2025 08:38

The whole system needs an overhaul. It’s now well known that unis will accept on lower grades so what’s stopping schools ramping up the over predicting grades to get student offers and places. The ones that will lose out are the schools who refuse to discuss predictions and ‘play the game’.

I would be interested to know if unis strugggked with the Covid co-hort where thousands were over predicted and got places accordingly. Did many struggle/drop out? Interesting that Cardiff regrets taking lower graded students.

I will openly admit that I lobbied DC teachers to get one grade increased so he could apply to the courses/unis he wanted. In the end he did drop a grade in that subject but still got his place. If I hadn’t done that a big tranch of unis would have been out of reach due to the at least 3xA requirements and there lies the problem, you need the predictions ti even get an application looked at.

TheaBrandt1 · 28/10/2025 08:40

Mine needed AAA for top RG academic course. Dropped a grade so got AA B. Also A for EPQ. Got into the course.

TheaBrandt1 · 28/10/2025 08:41

Star didn’t work she needed A star AA got A star A B as one language paper didn’t go her way ( and all her teachers had left to be fair that did not help)

WonkyTree25 · 28/10/2025 18:34

1APenny I completely agree with this-

The whole system needs an overhaul. It’s now well known that unis will accept on lower grades so what’s stopping schools ramping up the over predicting grades to get student offers and places. The ones that will lose out are the schools who refuse to discuss predictions and ‘play the game’.

Thats terrible about Cardiff/Bangor, I had no idea Osborne lifted the cap on numbers which someone mentioned above. Seems an inevitable consequence

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Doughtie · 28/10/2025 20:19

It's not great for students to be in these swollen intakes either. Unis can be hard to pin down on how many students they have on a particular course, and not everyone thrives in an intake of 500.

Our eldest is encouraging our younger ones to dodge all the uncertainty, take a gap year and apply grades in hand.

Sweetpeasaremadeforbees · 28/10/2025 21:12

My DD dropped 3 grades in total from her Lancaster offer. However she still got an A in the subject that she was going to be studying and got a C in Spanish which was the minimum that they were willing to accept in Clearing for a joint Spanish degree. I have no idea whether either of those helped her to keep her place or not.

HPFA · 29/10/2025 07:28

WonkyTree25 · 28/10/2025 18:34

1APenny I completely agree with this-

The whole system needs an overhaul. It’s now well known that unis will accept on lower grades so what’s stopping schools ramping up the over predicting grades to get student offers and places. The ones that will lose out are the schools who refuse to discuss predictions and ‘play the game’.

Thats terrible about Cardiff/Bangor, I had no idea Osborne lifted the cap on numbers which someone mentioned above. Seems an inevitable consequence

Only two of the Welsh unis -Cardiff and Swansea - are now offering Chemistry.

So Cardiff now doesn't want the lower tariff students but the chemistry courses in Wales are gone. No wonder the other unis are upset.

itsnotfairisit · 29/10/2025 07:32

Ancient history, but a decade ago plenty at DC’s school missed and got into the likes of Exeter and Cardiff. Bums on seats. Incidentally there was also a spate of drop outs, so if it’s a big miss, beware, it may be a sign.

Readandsew · 29/10/2025 19:53

Seen this year where grades were missed by one grade in one subject and by one grade in two subjects, and firm places still confirmed at unis, including RG unis and even Oxbridge. Missing by two grades in two subjects, (given that a standard offer now is AAB in most places) led to place declined, unless a non RG or ex Poly (I'm so old, i remember these) Toughest unis where firm declined due to missing by one grade were Durham and Bath, but for competitive courses, arts and Stem courses. This year was definitely a bums on seats year, equally it was the students that had the first year of 'normal' GCSE grades post Covid