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Apprenticeship Withdrawn

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Perplexed20 · 10/07/2025 07:13

Not sure why I'm writing apart from maybe to vent.
Ds applied for a degree apprenticeship with the civil service. Tests and interview in April. He applied with A level results in hand. A*AA (requirement is CCC).They took until the end of June to let people know. He was told successful and then yesterday they withdrew his offer and put him on the reserves list (dept he was allocated now not doing). He does have a uni offer but in a different subject he's now not sure about.
Anyone had experience of this? Any advice. He's pretty upset and want to support him in making the right decision for him.

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Faceitprune · 26/07/2025 06:13

Perplexed20 · 25/07/2025 19:29

He managed to speak with someone. He said that he' has asked to be still kept on the list if something nearer comes up. He now knows he's first reserve

@PearlStork thats good news. Yes he did give preferences for both location and dept. Because it was withdrawn he's got neither. And I secretly think he's ended up with the worst placement (hence why its now available - im not saying where ) hey ho.

I don’t understand, me being thick.

So the apprenticeship offer that involved a move across the country that he had to accept in less than 24 hours… what was that for? And he declined?

PearlStork · 26/07/2025 08:26

OPs son has accepted but on reserve list hoping for better location/ department. It is a national scheme so you get an offer and they try to match you to a location/department that suits. OPs son was a bit unlucky in that the original location he had chosen no longer offering a spot hence the other offer.

Gollyroo · 26/07/2025 09:06

Has he said why he’s so anti uni?

is it all unis he’s not keen on attending or just Warwick?

WombatChocolate · 26/07/2025 10:00

Lots of students prefer an apprenticeship to Uni. If they qualify for the full loans, a 3 year degree sees nearly £60k of debt…and that’s without the interest that starts accruing from the day the loans are started. And then they have to job hunt.

An apprenticeship means a degree is achieved, work experience achieved, usually a job guaranteed or very likely, salary earned…and no debt.

You can see why degree apprenticeships on schemes like the CS are like hens teeth. Usually they are much harder to get places on in terms of applications per place than the most competitive degrees because of all the benefits. And they don’t tend to go to weaker candidates, but applicants who have the pick of top unis too.

I think it’s great the this lad has been brave and accepted the place, even though it means a definite move into a zone he’s not so comfortable with…whilst staying on the reserve list for other places. You never know who might stop out come results day. Some of those place holders may well be holding Oxbridge places or other top uni places (like this lad) and when results come out,choose to go for uni instead.

It’s a hard choice - because uni is the norm for academic youngsters and it’s the norm for their families. Going for the degree apprenticeship is counter-cultural. It doesn’t offer the same well-trodden path of moving out i to Halls and being part of a massive student community. It doesn’t involve being part if the standard middle class late teen experience and one where parents can say their kid has gone to X and everyone knows what that is. Instead, it involves not getting that student experience which people are so nostalgic about. It can involve moving to a new area and having g to find private accommodation where you don’t know anyone. It involves going to work and being g with a range of ages. It often involves a lot of hard work and academic study at the same time. It’s not for the faint-hearted. But for the right peooke, it is amazing and the benefits listed at the top are huge.

Anyine who has got a degree apprenticeship like this CS one, has usually applied for a good few. They have gone through multiple application processes, such as aptitude tests, online interview, group tests and live interviews. And they have done these multiple times…the kid of things 21 year olds do when seeking their grad jobs. Often they’ve beaten thousands to get the place. So you can see these are highly sought after and uni just not quite the same. Added to this, lots of people who get these places, whilst academically high achievers, just aren’t so interested in theoretical academic study. They’d rather dosimeter g applied.

My thought is why don’t more apply for degree apprenticeships rather than straight degrees? Why are so many so keen to go for the standard uni experience?

In the end, there aren’t enough degree apprenticeships available and it’s already incredibly tough to get one. So it’s actually lucky for those who want them that more haven’t realised the positives.

OP’s son sounds like a very mature and sensible lad. Having gone through the difficult process to get a place, he knew that what he was holding was gold dust. When it was taken away and he was then offered another place, he knew that was gold dust too, even though not where he wanted to be. Sounds to me like he’s done everything right. He expressed a desire to stay on the reserve list for places closer to home. He’s found out he’s top of the list. But he’s also been brave enough to accept the gold dust he’s been offered and follow his dream for a degree apprenticeship and not to for his back-up option of Warwick. No dount if he went to Warwick he could enjoy it. But he’d have that debt. And it’s a massive massive barrier for lots of people. And he doesn’t need to take it on as he’s got a degree apprenticeship place.

Perplexed20 · 26/07/2025 16:37

To answer a few questions.

He doesn't want the debt. He is also very practical - He likes application of learning rather than academia for its own sake. He has enjoyed working this year and done v well. If he does well on this he is guaranteed a job at the end (which i think is a big factor for him). He isn't bothered by the party side of uni (he doesn't really drink) - he has got good people skills but just isn't bothered by that (the one thing we are worried about - we think he should be a little more social). If he does take this we'll go and see him regularly and encourage him to take up his sport again.

I also think he is v independent and wants to not have to rely on us to top up his loan (unlike his sister). And I suspect it is because it is a very different route to his sister who is off to do her masters.

My thinking is whilst this isn't perfect it might also be good for him. If it doesn't work out for him, he can reapply to uni, with what will be effectively another years work experience under his belt. He isn't yet 19 (late summer bday) so he has plenty of time.

He seems OK. He passed his driving test last week so that's helped.

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WombatChocolate · 26/07/2025 21:59

Good for him. It’s a great opportunity and he’s approached the disappointment of the placement he thought he was getting admirably.
i can totally understand his choice to go for this and not uni. I wish him all the very best with it and hope he quickly makes a couple of good friends. It makes all the difference.

Veraveravera · 26/07/2025 22:17

Just to add to the very negative Warwick post. My DS went to Warwick, state educated, vg A level results, loved it. He did a maths and stats related degree and yes, many of his cohort and friends were privately educated but still worked very hard to get their degrees. He has done very well with an excellent graduate job and still sees his Warwick hall mates regularly even 9 years after graduation!

BeMellowAquaSquid · 26/07/2025 22:19

My dd had a very similar email from The Met police. Was offered her apprenticeship, did all her interviews vetting medical fitness and drugs tests then an email last week to say they have been told to recruit less officers and would be in touch in 2026, this was the fast track to DC route via apprenticeship. I’m so disappointed for her. It’s awful they’re allowed to do this to young people.

Blottum · 27/07/2025 05:44

When will he have to move? And how far away? Will he get any financial assistance in the costs of moving?

Perplexed20 · 27/07/2025 17:45

BeMellowAquaSquid · 26/07/2025 22:19

My dd had a very similar email from The Met police. Was offered her apprenticeship, did all her interviews vetting medical fitness and drugs tests then an email last week to say they have been told to recruit less officers and would be in touch in 2026, this was the fast track to DC route via apprenticeship. I’m so disappointed for her. It’s awful they’re allowed to do this to young people.

So sorry to hear this. I know there are government cut backs that are outwith the recruiters control and it's ended up in shambles for individuals.

Re moving don't know anything else yet re dates. There is still security clearance to be done (think its lower tier - dh has higher in his job - non gov but works with gov- so not worried about that).

No financial assistance - but there wouldn't be with uni anyway. It's about 2 hours away so we will visit and he can come home.

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Blottum · 27/07/2025 18:30

Perplexed20 · 27/07/2025 17:45

So sorry to hear this. I know there are government cut backs that are outwith the recruiters control and it's ended up in shambles for individuals.

Re moving don't know anything else yet re dates. There is still security clearance to be done (think its lower tier - dh has higher in his job - non gov but works with gov- so not worried about that).

No financial assistance - but there wouldn't be with uni anyway. It's about 2 hours away so we will visit and he can come home.

He doesn’t even know where he’s going to have to move to aside from a long way away?! And he doesn’t know if he will have to find a place himself (how would he feel about living independently a long way away? Won’t be like uni, he’ll be sharing with likely older and all in work, very different to student set up)

Perplexed20 · 27/07/2025 19:29

He does know where - if it is there. Im wondering if there will be any movement post A level results. He will have to find a place himself. Obviously, we'll help him. It will be very different from uni - hence why his preference was to stay at home.

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PearlStork · 28/07/2025 06:57

Has he been in touch with other apprenticeship offer holders. They usually set up a secure chat group. Maybe he could share with other apprentices. Plus the graduate schemes are just finding out locations so many of them looking for accomodation too They will only be a few years older than your DS. Is the location a student town?

Perplexed20 · 28/07/2025 13:05

Yes it is a student town.

I think there was a group chap for the application process. I expect there will be more once A level results are out. I think many were doing A levels this year rather than applying with grades in hand.

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Tumrum · 28/07/2025 14:26

I’d be so worried about 18 year old moving to a different part of the country, on his own, having never lived independently before, to live with non students all working and he’s probs my the youngest but some margin… and starting a new job.

mind you… that’s my 18 year old son who can just about cook himself an omelette and I’m currently running through a list of things to teach him this summer before heading off to halls of residence !!

Tumrum · 28/07/2025 14:27

Presumably he can cook for himself, laundry, ok with sorting bills, grocery shopping etc? It seems so much of this offer to expect this of an 18 year old.

Aslockton · 28/07/2025 14:39

DS (22) has just moved to a new town where he knows no one. He is in a house share where he is the youngest by about 5 years. His rent includes all bills (council tax, gas, water, TV licence, cleaner, gardener, Wi-Fi etc). I take it apprenticeships are classed as working, so he will pay council tax ?

Cakeandusername · 28/07/2025 17:33

The type of yp getting degree apprenticeships are the capable type though. Could live in shared house with other apprentices/young professionals or as a lodger.
My friend’s dc had an apprenticeship from 16 (he was late Aug baby so literally just 16) he was in shared accommodation with other apprentices and came home on train every weekend (with washing) it was several hours away but a great opportunity with a large reputable company.
I know BAE have big apprenticeship intake with compulsory onsite training school for apprentices for first weeks so will be a bit like uni with chance to make friends and socialising.

PearlStork · 28/07/2025 19:20

Even if not like BAE the CS should have apprentices/placement year students/new grads starting in September (and fast streamers rotating departments). My middle one moved to a uni city for work aged 21 and has found it relatively easy to make friends outside work.

Perplexed20 · 28/07/2025 19:44

He has asked day off on Friday. He is cooking dinner and I've got nothing to do with it. Hes sorting ingredients etc. Hes a great cook. Makes better pasta than me!

However v good point about washing. Shown him once not sure if he remembers. The plan would be to visit fairly frequently initially to make sure he is on top of bills. If he goes we also want to encourage him to take up sport again. Hes held down a job for a year. Not had a day off sick, nor have we had to get him up. Actually more worried about him being lonely.

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Perplexed20 · 28/07/2025 19:50

My takeaway is, I'm really glad he had a year out and wasn't dealing with this all whilst A levels were going on

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NanFlanders · 28/07/2025 20:10

Hi OP. Civil servants here - so sorry this has happened to your son. Could he ask if it is possible to transfer to another CS apprenticeship - Government Economic Service, for example?

Juja · 29/07/2025 22:10

@Perplexed20 I think your DS sounds really together and a super young person. Well done on passing his driving test. As you say the key will be developing a social life. Sports really good for that and you've said you're encouraging him with that. I imagine they will are registered with a Uni somewhere as a degree apprentice so maybe can join in Uni clubs / societies in the place they are moving too as a visiting student. Volunteering another option.

I am sure he will be fine, even if it takes a little time to adjust. My DS moved to Paris aged just 18 and lived in a shared flat with the organisation he was volunteering with. It was a steep learning curve and most of the other young volunteers were post Uni so a bit older but he settled in and is still friends with them. He has now after Uni moved to a different city for work and like @Aslockton his room in a shared house includes all bills, council tax and a cleaner for the communal parts. He found his room via spare room.com and is sharing with some like minded people. Even if they don't become your best friends it gives you human contact. Choosing a room in a house with a living room (not just a kitchen) tends to be much more sociable.

Good luck to him.

Platosrevenge · 30/07/2025 09:53

Similar here. DS applied for a job with the NHS in their IT dept having recently graduated with a first class degree in CS. They liked him but he was competing with people who had several years of experience. Promised in writing and verbally that he was on a wait list for the next up coming position, they were just awaiting funding. Fast forward 2 months, he’s been told the funding isn’t forthcoming now… he’s gutted.

Ademasstudio · 30/07/2025 14:19

Op… does your son have enough… fun? Socialise? Romantic interests? Sport? Hobbies?