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Parents of US student looking for general UK uni advice

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Valleysaurus · 28/01/2025 22:43

Hello

Our eldest daughter is a junior in high school in the States and is seriously considering pursuing her bachelors course at a UK university. Her high school marks and test scores will not be high enough for her to be competitive at the more selective universities. If we understand the UK entry requirements, we suspect our daughter would qualify for courses with entry requirements at the ABB or BBB level. We don't think she is particularly concerned about institutional pedigree, just fit. Likewise, international fees are not a primary consideration in our choice because, believe it or not, even at the international rate, many UK universities are more affordable than their US counterparts.

Like many high school students in the United States, she does not have a clear idea of what course she would like to study in university, but we suspect she will settle on a course focused on environmental studies, sustainability, conservation or tourism and hospitality. Which leads to the questions:

Given her applicant profile, which UK universities (if any) have a closer-knit campus community? Think a lot of students living in university accommodations and/or located in a city that is what we might call a "college town" in the States.

Are sandwich programs at all useful for international students in helping to find work post graduation?

Is it weird that admissions representatives are not returning our emails? We've contacted a few universities with questions about entry for 26/27 school year and it's been crickets...

Thanks!

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mushroom3 · 29/01/2025 15:45

@Valleysaurus Apply directly for degree with foundation year. There is a different code for entry with a foundation year on UCAS. (Also, sometimes students who haven't quite hit their grades are offered to do the degree they wanted with a foundation year after results are released.) For the subjects your DD are interested in both Swansea and Keele would be a good fit and at the right sort of grade level.

ChirpyDenimPombear · 29/01/2025 15:51

As someone from a part American family, I am going to say it’s not a good idea unless she wants to study something very specific, such as archeology (York for example) or something at Oxbridge (which you’ve said she wouldn’t get into based on grades). The cost of living is high here too, and the city universities are generally nothing like US cities. Small town uni’s are either the prestigious ones (St Andrews’s / Cambridge / Oxford / Durham) so they don’t count, and then it’s entirely dependent on what she wants to study. Of it’s broadly something like psychology or English lit then she is still better off in the states. If she’s never been here and doesn’t know anything about British culture it can also be a shock. Just my two cents!

BobtheFrog · 29/01/2025 15:53

Foundation degrees vary a lot in England, you need to look at each individual Uni and its intent - I dont think Scottish Unis have the same thing because they have 4 year courses with one set of entry requirements and slightly tougher "direct entry to year 2" requirements to do the course in 3 years

Some Foundations are aimed at International students, especially those who need / want to improve their language skills or critical thinking

Some are for UK only students with an emphasis on Widening Participation (its a UK thing where unis encourage students to apply from disadvantaged backgrounds and the like)

Some are for Mature students, who maybe don't have the right qualifications or have been out of education for a while

Some Foundation degrees are just that, an extra year that leads you to the subject of your choice, I think Holloway, UEA, Liverpool do those (among others)

BobtheFrog · 29/01/2025 15:55

Building on ChirpyDenimPombear - if you want an adventure and to experience culture in a different country why not take a gap year? - it would be cheaper

mushroom3 · 29/01/2025 15:59

@BobtheFrog foundation years (gateway to an undergraduate degree) and foundation degrees (standalone qualification) are not the same. A foundation degree is similar to an HND and takes 2 years. They are often vocational and targeted towards mature students.

CrystalSingerFan · 29/01/2025 16:05

MrsCarson · 29/01/2025 14:29

My Dd has a friend from US on her course, he did a foundation year with his course to make sure he was able to do the three year degree. So he'll end up with 4 years total.
She is at Aberystwyth Uni. in Wales.

Abertystwyth's a super place. Remote, mind you. Has the fabulous https://www.library.wales/ Can't comment on the uni, other than it has some interesting architectural bits.

National Library of Wales - Llyfrgell Genedlaethol Cymru

Discover Welsh history and heritage along with Welsh family history on The National Library of Wales website.

https://www.library.wales

Clearinguptheclutter · 29/01/2025 16:08

Good advice above. I don’t know it but my niece is at Lincoln and loving it .

as you have discovered, “college towns” (other than Oxford, Cambridge and perhaps Durham/st Andrew’s aren’t really a thing here and most universities are just in the big cities. There are also some that are rural, I am thinking Keele and Royal Holloway (near London) that probably have quite a close-knit feel even if they are quite isolated

while I can totally understand the reason for wanting to leave the USA just now, and we have a somewhat less controversial government (depending on who you speak to), the dreadful polarization of politics is sadly very much alive this side of the pond.

best of luck to your daughter

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/01/2025 16:09

Our daughter and son had/are having very positive experiences at UCLan in Preston (University of Central Lancashire). Excellent choice of courses, compact city with plenty of good quality student accommodation with reasonable rents.

HeronWing · 29/01/2025 16:10

Valleysaurus · 29/01/2025 12:03

Thanks and I think I misspoke in my previous post. Lincoln doesn’t appear to be organized by colleges. Perhaps we should add Queens University Belfast too.

But bear in mind this is in a different country, one your DD has presumably not visited?

I think the problem with US students at UK universities (academic here) is that UK schools specialise far earlier and the majority of degree courses are very specialised compared to their US counterparts. I’d advise your DD to think very hard about what specifically she wants to study. Tourism/hospitality would make a more obvious destination Switzerland, or do a languages degree in the UK and then a master’s degree in Switzerland? Conservation or environmental studies is a very different direction again, though I think there are masters degrees in sustainable tourism available at at least one Swiss institution.

CerealPosterHere · 29/01/2025 16:14

Lincoln uni is nice. Definitely further down the rankings than the likes of Nottingham or York. kind of mid tier. No idea about what the courses she’s interested in are like at Lincoln. No college system but that’s unusual for a U.K. university and only ones I know of are Cambridge, Oxford, Durham and Lancaster (I think).

It’s counted as a campus uni but in my mind is not as much of a campus uni as York or Loughborough or Lancaster. However the majority of the halls of residence are on campus and obviously the other uni buildings and sports facilities are also on campus…..train line cuts the campus in half. It’s a few minutes walk from the city centre so it’s not a leafy, spacious campus like some of the others. But handy for the shops and bars. Students can stay in halls for all three years, plenty of spaces.

a friends daughter did geography there and was happy.

CrystalSingerFan · 29/01/2025 16:16

Hoppinggreen · 29/01/2025 10:52

Like others I would say York, Nottingham or Lancaster but I am not sure your daughters grades will be high enough.
Nottingham Trent is also Campus I think and may be more achieveable.
Loughborough?

Apologies to HoppingGreen and everyone who had a great time/education at Loughborough Uni but having visited once for an Art History conference, I wouldn't recommend it as a place to spend three years.

(Disclaimer: I know nothing about the OP's daughter's subject area. However, I can recommend the carillon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughborough_Carillon)

BobtheFrog · 29/01/2025 16:24

to be clear Lancaster is not a collegiate university in the classic sense - students are allocated a hall of residence when they join (even if they arent living in halls) and some events happen at hall level rather than more centrally at a Students Union

Having said that, it can be great for first years to settle in because you don't have to engage with the whole uni when making new friends and stuff. Clubs and societies are mostly uni wide

EvelynBeatrice · 29/01/2025 16:53

I wouldn’t underestimate the cultural differences between the US and the U.K. which are often forgotten as we share (more or less!) a common language. That being the case, it might be worth thinking about universities with a large number of US students. I’m sure your child would make lots of friends of different nationalities, but sometimes when far away from home, it’s nice to know a few countrymen or women!

The obvious example, which is also a campus university, is St Andrews. It has the benefit of being located in an extremely beautiful historic little town with magnificent beaches (but Scottish weather!) and is extremely safe. Perhaps download a copy of their brochure wear/ prospectus to see if any courses suit . Their terms (semesters) are also more aligned to the US model than most U.K. universities.

Edinburgh also has a large number of foreign students and is a safe, prosperous city with excellent and safe public transport and a good international airport. It’s a good city for a reasonably well off student and a very pleasant environment. It’s certainly within a day trip visit of St Andrew’s too, especially if your child drives.

Nottingham is a campus university. Not a particularly pleasant city, but the campus is very nice.

You’ll find that university accommodation - ‘halls of residence’ are usually only available in the first year of the degree. Thereafter it’s usually a mad rush trying to secure a private rental with friends. It’s up to the students to organise this themselves - the uni doesn’t do that. Sometimes, parents are called upon to pay an entire year’s rent up front or guarantee rent. International students may also have to satisfy legal ‘right to rent’ checks with the U.K. Home Office ( look after immigration and right to reside in the U.K.).

Overall British universities treat their students like adults - they are generally a less nurturing environment than US colleges, perhaps because fewer students go on to post graduate studies. There is no culture of fraternity or sorority houses. Students make friends in their halls and on their courses in first year, in various clubs or societies they join, or in the university union (official uni clubhouse usually offering discounted drinks and snacks ) or local pubs. U.K. degrees are often vocational and not general in nature, conferring expertise in a narrower field (allowing a move straight from uni into the legal profession qualifying exam for example) rather than the broader base type of US college degree ( pre law etc) which will require further college based study thereafter.

Students may drink alcohol from18 and often do! British parents expect this and ‘have the chat’ about knowing your limits and the dangers well before the kids head off to uni.

If your child ends up in the U.K., it might be worth trying to find a relative, friend or other adult contact in the place they end up in, just in case of emergencies. I have been this person for a work distant acquaintance with an 18 year old daughter studying in my home city from abroad. It meant that she had one name to contact if very homesick, needing a steer where to buy stuff, or - as happened on one occasion - to sit with her in hospital emergency room after she broke her ankle on ice. I didn’t mind at all - she was a sensible girl, but like my own kids at 18, was reassured by speaking to someone else’s mum there on the ground, so to speak!

Flustration · 29/01/2025 17:07

LIZS · 29/01/2025 12:04

UEA might be worth a look.

UEA was my first thought.

Small, friendly campus on the outskirts of a small, friendly city. Reasonably good transport links to London.

World leading Climatic Research Unit
https://www.uea.ac.uk/groups-and-centres/climatic-research-unit

Not Russell Group, but heavily research-led

Apparently a 'typical offer' for an undergrad course in Environmental Science is just ABB
www.uea.ac.uk/course/undergraduate/bsc-environmental-sciences

Climatic Research Unit

University of East Anglia

https://www.uea.ac.uk/groups-and-centres/climatic-research-unit

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/01/2025 17:12

Righttherights · 29/01/2025 00:21

Swansea University a good option. I think Hilary Clinton has some link to it as recently visited it. Their BSc Business & Management has several modules including Marketing, Tourism, Corporate Social Governance so students get to cover several topics , which is great if not sure what to do. The Bay campus has lots of accommodation though students tend to go into Swansea for nightlife. Lots of O/S students and good rail/ coach links

Yes, it is a campus university on the beach and has a few Americian students there or Aberystwyth as well. Friendly, in Wales and on the beach.

MrsCarson · 29/01/2025 17:14

CrystalSingerFan · 29/01/2025 16:05

Abertystwyth's a super place. Remote, mind you. Has the fabulous https://www.library.wales/ Can't comment on the uni, other than it has some interesting architectural bits.

Cost of living there isn't as high as many places, even the accommodation seems to cost less.
Next year she's in dorms with the US friend and his girlfriend sharing a kitchen in private student accommodation it's £80 a week includes utilities and wifi and is right by the beach.

Cornishmumofone · 29/01/2025 17:18

I'd recommend looking at the University of Southampton (ABB is the typical offer for Environmental Science). It's not a campus university... but the halls are incredibly near by.

StamppotAndGravy · 29/01/2025 17:29

Would she consider looking at liberal arts colleges in Europe? They're often cheaper than the UK even for internationals and are generally English medium with a broad curriculum. For example, University College Utrecht in the Netherlands is in English, linked to Utrecht University but with its own campus and is 40 minutes from Schiphol airport.

The sort of courses she's looking at are very vocational. They're going to be tuned to the local jobs market so may not be that useful going back to the US. Tourism & hospitality are really culturally varying, and the regulations for environmental studies are completely different in Europe.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 29/01/2025 17:40

www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/league-tables/rankings

Mistletoewench · 29/01/2025 17:48

my daughter is at university of Leeds, great city for students, there is also a couple of other unis there (the names escape me) but I know Leeds Becket is one.

the city is very student focused and great travel links to London, York etc. she’s having a blast.
we also looked at Southampton uni and really liked that as well
Good luck, it’s such an exciting time for them

Valleysaurus · 29/01/2025 18:27

Thanks again for such helpful advice! Unis in Scotland, and Wales are definitely being considered too, as are schools in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. We’ll speak to her about options in mainland Europe. I know it is rather scattershot and really appreciate the kind advice. Such a lovely group!

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Mytholmroyd · 29/01/2025 18:36

Hoppinggreen · 29/01/2025 10:52

Like others I would say York, Nottingham or Lancaster but I am not sure your daughters grades will be high enough.
Nottingham Trent is also Campus I think and may be more achieveable.
Loughborough?

My son - a home student - is in his 1st year at York doing an integrated MSc and he got in with a grade lower than the offer on each A level - so BBC (he was a lucky boy as he didn't revise enough!). Ditto my nephew.

Universities are struggling financially and many would welcome overseas students with open arms I suspect.

DorotheaDiamond · 29/01/2025 18:46

Be aware that with the exception of Oxbridge most students are only in university accommodation for one year, and that they have to find their group and then arrange second year accommodation by December at most universities. If you want to avoid this look for cities with large amounts of private student halls (generally more expensive but nicer than uni halls) and plan on booking those for 2nd year.

Phineyj · 29/01/2025 19:02

She might like Leeds.

Example course (lots of Leeds courses have a much higher tariff than this!)

www.leedsbeckett.ac.uk/courses/geography-environmental-science-bsc/

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