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Oxbridge Rejects 2025

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CrouchingTigerMum · 17/01/2025 20:16

Any other parents feeling really down about their DC's Oxford rejection?

Just looking for empathy or thoughts on how to bounce back and build up DC's motivation for A-levels now... (especially when my DC's second-choice university doesn't demand high grades – it's not a highly competitive subject).

If they were doing a course with even a tangential vocational element, we'd be happy with them studying elsewhere but for their niche subject (within arts, humanities & languages) the "next best" university feels leagues below Oxbridge – it's not as though there is an equivalent institution on the level of Imperial (or, say, Warwick) for STEM.

NC as it's possibly outing to be handling the rejection so poorly.

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ColouringPencils · 18/01/2025 20:37

I have a bit of sympathy. My DD was rejected by Oxford this week too. She is predicted 4×A and has 4 other offers - one was advertised as AAB and the other 3 as AAA (Oxford was AAA). Except, now one uni has reduced grades due to our contextual postcode; another has reduced because she does further maths; and the third would reduce if she firmed them. So, all her options turned into AAB.

Although I think she has moved on from Oxford, she said she feels a bit deflated as the offers seem a bit low now and like she doesn't need to try as hard. I reminded her that she is very lucky as she's unlikely to be one of the many people (as DH and I both were) who miss their grades on results day and have to scrabble to work out their options through clearing. And that just because the entry requirements are lower doesn't mean there won't be loads of people who are equally bright and hard working, many of whom would also expect to exceed the requirements.

ColouringPencils · 18/01/2025 20:38

Sorry for that annoying bold text, hopefully you can work out what I mean! Predicted 4x A star... Oxford was A star AA.

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 20:55

I can come at this from the other end. Two of my DC were predicted only one/ two A* respectively with no contextual flags - although state school not independent (high achieving state school however - and neither had a full set of top grades at GCSE (but nothing below an A/ 7)). Both got offers from Oxford and subsequently flourished and went on to get firsts. The A level predicted grades are slightly beside the point, certainly once at interview. Both did also do very well in the aptitude tests - at least top decile. UCL/ Durham/ Bristol are excellent alternatives with plenty of top class academics teaching the courses.

ColouringPencils · 18/01/2025 20:57

Well done to your DDs for their success, but not sure this is the thread to share it @AsTearsGoBy!

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 21:02

Ok ColouringPencils sorry it's simply that the OP is putting forward a full set of top predicted grades as though that is sound evidence for having a good chance at securing an offer. My point was that the interviews are to work out which students can think in a particular way, which is another thing (almost?) entirely. The tutors don't seem to do a bad job if they can spot applicants with lower grades even from objectively good schools and can then get those sub par applicants to firsts. There's method there I'd have said, even if it looks fairly mad to outsiders.

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 21:06

Both were boys in fact - not especially studious in the run up to GCSE/ fairly standard more interested in other stuff.

ColouringPencils · 18/01/2025 21:13

@AsTearsGoBy I felt she was mentioning the grades as her DD's other offers are much lower, which is the same reason I was. Your kids have done very well, and equally, the tutors may be excellent at selecting the best candidates, but neither of those things are very helpful to the OP right now. Surely there are other threads where you can share their brilliance?

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 21:18

I wasn't intending to share anything other than that predicted A levels aren't very weighty currency when it comes to Oxbridge selection and so probably shouldn't raise expectations and therefore make the disappointment more crushing. I'm a bit taken aback at the dissing of UCL/ Durham and Bristol, in company with other posters. I recognise that the OP wants sympathy and obviously a young person being unhappy with not getting an offer is rubbish, but no-one should go into the process under illusions that a raft of top grades puts them at the front of the queue. I hope the DS in question is happy elsewhere (assuming no re-application) and soon sees that lots and lots of other extremely bright young people go to those three named unis.

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 21:24

Another point: I was curious and so looked at the offer grades for UCL and Durham for Oriental Studies/ MFL etc and I can't see that grades are much lower than Oxford. I'm a bit puzzled by the 'much lower' grade thing because it's well known that Oxford humanities offers are kept purposely low,

BRL2 · 18/01/2025 22:17

As others have said @AsTearsGoBy, perhaps this is not the time or place…

AsTearsGoBy · 18/01/2025 22:19

Ok understood. I was just a bit confused about the chasm between Oxford and the three named unis, as others were. Hopefully the OP's DS will feel better very soon.

CrouchingTigerMum · 18/01/2025 22:59

Thanks everyone for the range of perspectives. I was looking for "empathy" from others who are also feeling down about it this week and just hoping to share the frustration – not asking for "sympathy" more generally.

@AsTearsGoBy I take your point about insight gleaned in interviews, thanks for sharing. I know that it's not just about A-levels. It was not merely predicted grades that gave us hope for my DC's application – but more the high scores on Oxford's own entrance tests (not known until this week but they felt they'd done well – and had) and subject-relevant niche achievements.

It's not just the low offers (ABB) from the other universities mentioned that made them feel a lower league, but also that one came in so fast after submitting the UCAS form that likely no one had even read the personal statement. It felt impersonal but of course the experience of studying there may still be wonderful.

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CrouchingTigerMum · 18/01/2025 23:09

@ColouringPencils Good luck to your DD for the final sprint towards A-levels. It's demoralising knowing that she could probably stop revising now and still satisfy those lowered offers but let's hope she gets the A stars if only for her own satisfaction. Flowers

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PlopSofa · 18/01/2025 23:36

Umbilicat · 18/01/2025 17:20

OP, we were here a couple of years ago and I totally understand how you feel this week and will do for a few weeks to come.

However, if your DD‘s second choices are indeed UCL, Bristol and Durham then I’m with others that to say they’re not nearly good enough is just daft… They are fantastic universities and your DD will have a great time at any of them. Just because the grade requirements are low to get in doesn’t mean it won’t be taught to a high standard and assuming that is what your DD actually wants to do, rather than they saw it as an easy way into Oxford and therefore developed an interest in it, then they will be taught to a very high-level and can if they really are passionate about the subject pursue it to Masters or PhD.

as of this have said, when you child gets their A-level results, you will have a fantastic day of pride and when you see them thrive at another university doubly so.

i’m a Cambridge graduate and I personally think the Oxford thing is massively overhyped, I can’t be the only one who seen a ton of people in my field and in other fields who didn’t go to Oxbridge do brilliantly in life without studying in a clutch of musty old buildings. Encourage your dd to look forward to her future and stop seeing the options as second best.

This is so true. I’m not an Oxbridge graduate but have worked with some and others are friends.

All of them are doing the same kind of jobs as everyone else who went to good unis.

Four are accountants at big four companies. One works in pharmaceuticals. One became a vet. One works for a bank. One works in the civil service. One is an English teacher, another a maths teacher. But there are a ton of other people around them that didn’t go to Oxbridge that are doing exactly the same thing.

its a bit like going to private school. It’s a shiny name initially but in the end, work is the great leveller. success is about so much more than where you went to uni in the grand scheme of things. It’s a small part of it.

And they could always try for a masters there instead.

PlopSofa · 18/01/2025 23:53

CrouchingTigerMum · 18/01/2025 23:09

@ColouringPencils Good luck to your DD for the final sprint towards A-levels. It's demoralising knowing that she could probably stop revising now and still satisfy those lowered offers but let's hope she gets the A stars if only for her own satisfaction. Flowers

Maybe DC reconsiders their options and decides to study something else that requires excellent top notch grades?

ChicLilacSeal · 19/01/2025 00:08

Derogations · 18/01/2025 16:03

Sorry OP, I know you are looking for sympathy but how has it got so bad?

Only 16% of applicants get into Oxford - how have either you or your DC found yourselves so down in the dumps about what is essentially a punt?

I think that’s both a failure of parenting and the school not to set your expectations at a realistic level - it is more or less a lottery. And the cachet thing is ridiculous.

I don't think the cachet thing is ridiculous. There is MASSIVE cachet to going to Oxbridge way above any other UK uni, and for good reason. Speaking for arts and humanities, the degrees there are like regular degrees on steroids. It's much, much harder than "normal" degrees. There's nowhere to hide in the tutorial system and you're expected to produce a huge amount of work each week, and not only do you have exams at the end of term, you have them at the beginning of the term too! At Oxford, anyway. It's absolutely brutal. And you still have to study in the holidays in order to cover all the material you need to.

I get the cachet thing that the OP talks about. You'll have excess cachet for the rest of your life if you go there, and pretending that that's not the case just isn't helpful.

Source: I applied to Oxford for English in 1993, got rejected, but got the grades. I went to King's College, London instead. Now I understand, via students who YouTube about their Oxbridge experiences, what a complete nightmare it is workwise, and I'm glad I didn't go.

DownwardDuck · 19/01/2025 00:56

So I hope this is helpful for anyone with a devastated kid. My brother was rejected from Oxford the first time around, took a gap year when they got a pt job and they did a few unpaid internships in subject relevant places (a week here and there, nothing long term) then with the A star, AA grades they got in the exams, applied to Cambridge and got in. Had a marvelous time.

If your heart is set on it, by all means have another go.

mondaytosunday · 19/01/2025 02:07

It will take much more time than a few days. But if the alternatives are few, then surely they will be populated by similar applicants who did not get an Oxbridge offer? So despite requirements being much lower, the students attending may be on par with your DC. It's never 'Oxbridge or nothing'.
It can be a very fine line between who gets an offer and who doesn't, and while 'caliber of other candidates' is often given as the reason, the university itself would probably not be able to say exactly why. That rogue GCSE grade? Slightly less interesting PS? Less engaging at interview? Questions not allowing a demonstration of knowledge/enthusiasm? Or maybe the interviewer had a headache and on another day/interviewer may have marked it differently.
Reapplying is always an option but would the applicant take another rejection?
My DD was not successful at getting an offer from C. She was desolated for a while. She's now at Durham, which is highly regarded for her subject, and doing well. She had to study over the break for sure - the course is rigorous. While Cambridge will always be a regret, she has firmly put it behind her and had thrown herself into getting the most out of the university she is at. Why waste time with what ifs?
There is no denying the cache of Oxbridge. You mention it and people's eyes light up. But the majority of successful people attended neither.

Roowly · 19/01/2025 07:35

CrouchingTigerMum · 18/01/2025 15:35

@nutsandraisinsrock Sorry your DD didn't get in either! Of course the alternatives (UCL, Durham, Bristol) would be more than ok but they have nowhere near the cachet, given the much lower bar for entry.

You seem fixated on the lower entry bar. Why does this matter? Employers have no idea what the entrance grades are of every course, at every university, for every year passed. If you're concerned your DD won't be studying alongside other clever, motivated students, think again.

There's a whole load of A/Astar predicted students who don't even apply to Oxbridge. But if your DD does find herself head and shoulders above the rest (unlikely) then she'll be well placed to get on the Deans list, win all the academic prizes, win favour with her excellent lecturers.

nutsandraisinsrock · 19/01/2025 09:14

For my DD's course Durham offers the same grades as Oxford (3 As) so that doesn't concern dd.
Edinburgh however is usually the same, but they have offered her ABB. I do get what you mean @CrouchingTigerMum in that she was working at a B when she started the course in the lower 6th - she is concerned that if they only want Bs it'll be too easy as that's what she was doing at 16! However I keep saying that there are so many Oxbridge 'rejects' At places like Durham (in fact it's nearly 50%) that she should be in similar company.

I agree with the poster above that whatever we say, others bar maybe Imperial just don't have the same cachet, certainly overseas. However, a happy thriving child who perhaps has an easier time of it (Oxford sounds so hard!) may be a blessing the end. This is what I can telling myself anyway!

chickenpieandchips · 19/01/2025 09:25

So the issue is that the grades are 'only' ABB and that an offer was too quick for her personal statement to be 'appreciated'?
As you said before, it's not an in demand course, so I assume they either want to actually get people on their course, or they really want your child? And some unis don't read personal statements. Maybe they got the application, thought 'they've got great grades, we really want to show them we want them, and offered straight away.

Darkmorningsarethepits · 19/01/2025 09:39

I have one currently at Oxford and one who got rejected this time round after interview.

Shes been very pragmatic as have we. It’s just one option and she had a really good chance in the metrics we knew about (grades, PS, test score etc) but it is what it is, they can’t admit everyone and if you don’t try you won’t know!

Her other offers all came through within a week of submitting UCaS so are clearly just automatic and likely the course isn’t hugely over subscribed. None of her other choices are massively highly ranked Altho they are all Russell Group but they look fun and vibrant and I’m quite sure she will have a blast.

Im so pleased any pressure is slightly off now as her offers are AAB and back up ABB so if she has a brain fart or is ill on the day it likely won’t be such a disaster so the summer feels a bit more relaxed now.

Try not to catastrophise and not to see Oxford as more than it is. This revere is driven as much by people like you as Oxford itself. My eldest DD is loving it but no more than I suspect she would be loving Uni life anywhere else and after all its only three years in life with a whole many more for them both to achieve amazing things that will have zero to do with Uni.

AsTearsGoBy · 19/01/2025 09:42

CrouchingTigerMum · 18/01/2025 22:59

Thanks everyone for the range of perspectives. I was looking for "empathy" from others who are also feeling down about it this week and just hoping to share the frustration – not asking for "sympathy" more generally.

@AsTearsGoBy I take your point about insight gleaned in interviews, thanks for sharing. I know that it's not just about A-levels. It was not merely predicted grades that gave us hope for my DC's application – but more the high scores on Oxford's own entrance tests (not known until this week but they felt they'd done well – and had) and subject-relevant niche achievements.

It's not just the low offers (ABB) from the other universities mentioned that made them feel a lower league, but also that one came in so fast after submitting the UCAS form that likely no one had even read the personal statement. It felt impersonal but of course the experience of studying there may still be wonderful.

It's certainly worth getting the interview feedback CrouchingTigerMum, since the issue was clearly in that area. The high aptitude test score is definitely re-assuring for a re-application if that's the way your DS wants to go. I hope things work out for him. I think some colleges are better than others with feedback but the score itself will be useful even if the associated wording seems generic.

HPFA · 19/01/2025 11:47

I went to Oxford forty years ago.

I'm still not certain whether I'd choose it again. I'm proud of getting in, it made my parents happy, I made some good friends, on the whole enjoyed it.

But it's not all good news - I was far too intimidated to make the most of the opportunities there, it took me a long time to get over the nagging feeling that my subsequent career/life hasn't been "good enough", there's been many occasions when I haven't joined in chats about university for fear of getting "that look" from people....

And yes, quite a few of the people I was at college with have turned out to be very successful/famous but for the most part they're people that I would have pinned for that in the first week! If you're the offspring of two famous actors or your Dad is editor of a well-know magazine your own success is unlikely to be wholly attributable to Oxford!! Most people I knew have gone on to solid middle-class careers probably not hugely different from graduates of other good unis.

I understand why Oxbridge are doing lots of outreach and that's a good thing but sometimes I wonder if that doesn't evade the issue a bit. "Oh, it's all right if Oxbridge graduates dominate certain fields because we've made access to Oxbridge more equitable" isn't really a great outcome.

My daughter didn't meet her offer for Sheffield, took two years out, is now at Aberystwyth. So far (fingers crossed) she seems to be making the most of everything and is surprised by the good marks she's received. Her academic confidence has never been that high and so far I feel like Aber is building her in a way that Sheffield maybe wouldn't have.

Obviously for the moment you should just be empathising with your DD and waiting for her to adjust. But please don't have it in your own head that anything else is "second-best".

BRL2 · 19/01/2025 12:18

I visited Aber for the first time recently and know someone who went there and loved it @HPFA I can see why it is massively growing in popularity with students.
My own view of DC being rejected after interview is that he probably wouldn’t have been as happy there as he is where he ended up. The fact it’s not all exam based suits him a lot better and I would rather him get a better degree from a top 10 university than something less from Oxford. You only need to watch University Challenge to realise Oxbridge doesn’t have the monopoly of very clever students. Places like Imperial and Warwick can more than hold their own.

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