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Cambridge/oxford - really don’t know anything

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pastapesto · 09/06/2024 10:59

DS is going into his 6th year (Scottish school) and has done remarkably well in his Higher year. Top of the school. A couple of folk have suggested applying to Cambridge or Oxford but it’s really not something we know anything about. He is clearly very bright but he is also Autistic and I am not sure he would do well in things like interviews. Possibly it’s just too big of a leap. I don’t know if I should be encouraging him to try at least or not. Feels like there is a lot to learn about how you apply and I don’t know anyone who has ever been. Feels daunting.

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TeenDivided · 09/06/2024 11:07

It's a long way from home to either. Would that be an issue?
Also how would the funding work for a Scottish student studying in England?

What subjects? Does he talk with enthusiasm about whatever the course would be?

Some subjects you have to do extra papers for, eg STEP for maths.

Cambridge is obviously much nicer. Grin

jennylamb1 · 09/06/2024 11:08

From what I have heard a remarkable number of Oxbridge students are likely Asperger's/autistic. The hyper focus in a special interest area can be very positive. I work at a Russell Group university and have noticed a similar thing there.

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:13

Engineering.

He just doesn’t think that he would get in. I would worry about him being so far away. I kind of want him to stay in Scotland but also don’t want to limit his opportunities.

Funding - good question. That may be another reason to just stay in Scotland.

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TeenDivided · 09/06/2024 11:22

He has as much chance of getting in as any other very bright student.
Getting in to Oxford/Cambridge is always somewhat a lottery as ultimately there are for more well qualified applicants than there are places. So it needs to be viewed as a punt you might be lucky with rather than an essential goal you'd be devastated about.

For engineering (or anything else really) he should look to see whether the course syllabus meets his needs. It may have a different focus or be too theoretical for example.

What are the main Scottish options for him?

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:24

That’s a useful link thank you.

Dont know if this is a daft question but is there a way to check that he has a chance? We are a small Scottish town, maybe he’s just a big fish in a small pond. I was not smart at school so I just feel I don’t understand this stuff well
enough to know. He gets his brains from his dad.

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Shortfatsuit · 09/06/2024 11:27

My Scottish nephew is studying at Cambridge. He would have had free tuition fees if he had stayed in Scotland but has had to take a loan for the fees because he chose to study in England. So that might be a consideration for you.

As for being autistic at Oxbridge... there are loads of people with ASD at Oxbridge, so that need not necessarily be a concern.

The distance might be a factor, but I guess you are likely to be the best judge of whether that would be an issue.

Shortfatsuit · 09/06/2024 11:29

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:24

That’s a useful link thank you.

Dont know if this is a daft question but is there a way to check that he has a chance? We are a small Scottish town, maybe he’s just a big fish in a small pond. I was not smart at school so I just feel I don’t understand this stuff well
enough to know. He gets his brains from his dad.

The only real way to check whether he has a chance is to apply and have a go.

It's important for him not to get too attached to the outcome though. Lots of incredibly able kids don't get in, for whatever reason.

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:32

He is looking at Strathclyde at the moment.

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TeenDivided · 09/06/2024 11:33

I'm a bit out of date.
If he were applying with A levels he would need something like A-star, A-star, A perhaps, with possibly good super-curricular activities/interests. He would need to do well in any additional entrance tests.
I don't know how A levels translate to Highers.

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:39

He doesn’t do extra curricular. He schools and that’s it. He is a prefect so there is that but he keeps to himself other than some online gaming with his pals.

The money is a barrier. That probably makes it out of reach.

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Lilacdew · 09/06/2024 11:51

Loads of Oxbridge students are autistic. What used to be described as Asperger's or High Functioning. It is no barrier in itself.

Not sure I'd go for Oxbridge - which you have to pay/get a loan for – over Edinburgh or St Andrews or other top Scottish unis which are free if you are Scottish. But if he is interested, I'd do these things, to give him the best chance:

1.) take him there on visits. Show him around both Oxford and Cambridge but don't let him get fixated on a given college. It can be a ASC trait to get a very rigid notion of what you want and that will reduce his chances. So discuss as early as possible, the importance of being open minded about which college. Choosing which uni is the key issue, not the college. Cambridge is damp and freezing in winter but calm. Oxford is more temperate and busier - more of a city.

2.) Chat generally about the acceptance rate. Make it clear the vast majority of students who get turned down after passing the exams are just as clever as those who are accepted, but may not be quite right for the course or the teaching style at Oxbridge.

3.) Get him to read and study very, very widely around the syllabus of his chosen subject. Go to talks, watch documentaries, read popular journalism on the subject as well as some scholarly articles. Do online free uni modules, write an extra paper (ILP or similar) on a topic of specific interest, or write school mag articles.

4.) Encourage him to be able to talk clearly about what he knows. Maybe do mini you tube presentations, or just explain stuff to you.

5.) This one is VITAL: practise challenging his views and getting him to demonstrate how he would consider an opposing or new viewpoint, and how he can adjust his own thinking or reject it showing his thinking has developed as a result of the newly presented idea. Candidates who can't do this don't get in. This is the greatest indicator of whether someone will suit the 1-2-1 tutorial method of teaching. It can be a hard skill for autistic people to master. But it gets easier with practice.

6.) Focus on the actual course on offer. Look at other unis too, when the time comes. Finding the right course in the right town is imo the recipe for a successful time at uni. Between unis, courses vary massively in their content and approach to learning.

clary · 09/06/2024 11:56

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 11:39

He doesn’t do extra curricular. He schools and that’s it. He is a prefect so there is that but he keeps to himself other than some online gaming with his pals.

The money is a barrier. That probably makes it out of reach.

What @TeenDivided means by supracurricular is not things like sports and DofE that are extra curricular activities unrelated to a degree. What Cambrudge and other universities for that matter are interested in is evidence of interest in the subject - so that might be outside activities related to it (as a random example, a theatre group if applying for drama) but also it might be reading around the subject, what has made them interested in it, online courses attended - that kind of thing.

titchy · 09/06/2024 11:57

Money wise he'd be entitled to a loan for the fees, and the same maintenance loan as if he'd stayed in Scotland, so not an immediate barrier but need to bear it in mind.

Adv Higher grades need to be at least AAB - is that the levels he's working at?

Singleandproud · 09/06/2024 11:58

If you want general advice on unis then have a look at the main UCAS website which will give you all the details you will need, the Uniform website is handy too but I think you need a subscription but lots of schools use it now.

People tend to mention Cambridge or Oxford to anyone that's bright but it's not necessarily the best thing. If I were you I'd stick to a good Scottish Uni for his Bachelor's and then if he wants a postgraduate and having a few years living semi-independently then he might want to look at Oxbridge if it's right for him and his future prospects.

TeenDivided · 09/06/2024 12:05

@Singleandproud Uniform? Unifrog?

WannabeMathematician · 09/06/2024 12:05

I would be wary about spending more time fretting about applying then actually applying and seeing if he gets in. He has five choices, if can't fill those five with universities that he's excited about why shouldn't he put Oxford or Cambridge down?

Singleandproud · 09/06/2024 12:07

@TeenDivided yep, think it autocorrected should be UniFrog

CurlyhairedAssassin · 09/06/2024 12:09

My son's in second year of Cambridge doing engineering. Thriving. He is also I was very worried as he is a quiet, v studious boy who is verging on antisocial. We are also not "posh" ha ha! I also suspect he may be on the spectrum but we've never sought a diagnosis as it has never affected him - he has always had friends and been a happy chap. He was never worried about moving away from home, and meeting new people although small talk doesn't come naturally to him. He's just very nerdy, IYSWIM? However he is very confident in his own academic ability and also when he was in 6th form did lots of projects in his own time, as well as entering the usual olympiad type competitions. He was top of the school too, in a superselective state grammar. Estimated to get 4 A stars which he got, and he was never concerned that he wouldn't get that. I don't say this to brag, just to illustrate that perhaps the people who thrive there are those who are naturally super clever in their subject, self-starters and HIGHLY motivated.

He does reckons he sometimes does up to 50 hours of work a week - he ALWAYS seems to be working or revising. A "free" hour on his timetable is not free at all - he'll always have work to do or revision to do. He reckons some people do less than that (certainly they do in other subjects - engineering is one of the most difficult Cambridge subjects) but he always sets himself the challenge to come top in his year, or at least in the top 10%. I think he thrives on the challenge and seeing what he can achieve - engineering at that level is pretty out there in terms of academic difficulty.

I agree it's a different world if you don't know anything about the process, which I didn't. DH never even went to uni, I dropped out my first one and just ended up going to an ex poly getting a bit of a useless degree! But to be honest, it has all came from DS. He said he was going to apply for Cambridge as he thought he was good enough, did loads of research himself on the application process before telling us, spoke to teachers. So by the time he announced it to us he was pretty confident that he had as good a chance as anyone. Then it was DH and I who had to do all the learning of the application process!

As others have said, Oxbridge is full of uber nerds/people on the spectrum. At the interview they won't care about hobbies, being captain of sports teams, part time job etc like other unis might, it will be VERY academic, solely looking at ability and whether you are teachable according to their style, as well as motivation. You do have to be very dedicated and determined about the whole thing. And resilient. It's a pretty rigorous application process with multiple steps. Many people get rejected without even being invited for interview or to do the ENGAA test (look that up if you haven't heard of it). So he'd need to be prepared for knockbacks at multiple stages of the process, and just see how far he can get. As DS said to me at the time, "SOMEONE has to get those places, why not me?"

Having said all that about how demanding it all is, I think Cambridge has REALLY suited him, and we felt that when we went to look round in the summer holidays after end of Year 12. I think he saw himself there straight away. He has also met some nice friends and has a LOVELY serious girlfriend, they seem very well matched. That's the thing - there are lots of other like-minded people just like them.

I've asked him what he thinks of it all now he's done 2 years there and he said he definitely would have had a more free time at other unis that his friends are at, so would have been able to have more down time to have fun. He still does have fun at Cambridge but it's definitely more studying than partying.

Feel free to PM me if you want to know anything else. Oh, one thing. Pretty much everyone there doing engineering had all A stars at A-level. Nearly all had further maths, I think. He said he thinks it is different for some other less indemand courses eg some humantities.

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 12:13

Thanks this is all so useful! It does feel like another world.

He will get A’s on his advanced highers. I think I’ll sit and look at the courses with him and take it from there. Once he decides to do something he gets very focused on it so I guess it really depends on what he wants for himself. Must be nice to be smart!

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Shortfatsuit · 09/06/2024 12:20

The cost doesn't need to be a barrier, OP. It will be a tuition fee loan so you won't have to pay up front. And he will only have to start paying it back when he reaches a certain income threshold. It is a factor to consider but needn't be a deal breaker if he decided that he really wanted to go. He wouldn't be in a worse situation than the average English student.

CurlyhairedAssassin · 09/06/2024 12:21

Re money. There is a misconception that Cambridge is an expensive place to be a student at. It's certainly an expensive city to live in as a normal person. But terms are short (and intense!) at Cambridge and you are mostly guaranteed college accommodation for the whole time you are a student there, which isn't overly expensive compared to some cities elsewhere. The students can walk or bike everywhere so no local travelling costs. They are also a pretty rich university (due to some colleges owning lots of land, not just locally but around the country, we were told). Hence there are some generous bursaries and prizes etc.

If I were you the distance would be the only worry. We are a 3 and a half hour car journey away so that's not too bad. And unless you are wiling to pay extra to keep your room during the Easter and Christmas breaks (and you can't always do that as the colleges rent some of them out to tourists and school groups during the holidays), you need to get everything out of your room apart from a few bits in a locked cupboard.

BaseDrops · 09/06/2024 12:26

The way the courses are taught in small tutor groups means it really suits some neurodivergent people.

Both have colleges so it’s a smaller part of a bigger whole which can be beneficial. Both have additional funding for lower incomes beyond SAAS funding as well as other funding for students in need.

Both probably have a higher percentage of neurodivergent than neurotypical.

3 year degree in most cases not 4 which changes the total debt. 3 short intense terms as well.

Whats the worst thing that could happen if he applied? 5 options, might as well!

CurlyhairedAssassin · 09/06/2024 12:31

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 12:13

Thanks this is all so useful! It does feel like another world.

He will get A’s on his advanced highers. I think I’ll sit and look at the courses with him and take it from there. Once he decides to do something he gets very focused on it so I guess it really depends on what he wants for himself. Must be nice to be smart!

Once he decides to do something he gets very focused on it

Sounds like my son!

Do you need to look at the courses with him? Or is it just that he needs a couple of suggestions on where to start and what to look at? There is so much useful info online. The Student Room website is a good place to look. And obviously the university departmental websites. If you do look at Cambridge, their various websites (all the colleges and departments have their own) are very comprehensive. Look at all the various league tables (they all look at slightly different things so just use them as a guide). Ask on here. Look on Reddit. If he wants Oxbridge we bought a book Getting into Oxford and Cambridge Getting into Oxford and Cambridge

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Karolinska · 09/06/2024 13:05

pastapesto · 09/06/2024 12:13

Thanks this is all so useful! It does feel like another world.

He will get A’s on his advanced highers. I think I’ll sit and look at the courses with him and take it from there. Once he decides to do something he gets very focused on it so I guess it really depends on what he wants for himself. Must be nice to be smart!

pastapesto are you near Strathclyde?

It really isn't another world. Or if it is, it's a world where the very bright can be at their most comfortable. I would think that plenty of tutors interviewing for Engineering would completely understand your DS. If he likes the idea he should absolutely have a go.