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University Offers Coming In 23/4 - part 2!

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WombatChocolate · 09/01/2024 18:39

Following on from the old thread which was getting full….come and share the highs and lows of the journey that is A Levels and UCAS!

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MirandaWest · 02/02/2024 11:47

DS is at Newcastle. He isn’t a posh party person. Don’t think he’s particularly met people like that either although I’m sure they exist.

Angrymum22 · 02/02/2024 12:35

You don’t have to be posh to party. My DSis studied at Newcastle, many moons ago, it was party central back then. I think all Unis were partying back then, from experience.
For some, Uni is a right of passage, for others it is a route to a better life.
I got to meet and make life long friends with a complete cross section of society at University. Comments about “those” sort of people make me very sad that people still feel the divide despite the massive increase in access to higher education over the past two decades.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/02/2024 13:12

Oh Newcastle has always had a reputation for being a 'party' university. It's the posh bit I was unaware of!

TiaSeeya · 02/02/2024 14:02

Angrymum22 · 02/02/2024 12:35

You don’t have to be posh to party. My DSis studied at Newcastle, many moons ago, it was party central back then. I think all Unis were partying back then, from experience.
For some, Uni is a right of passage, for others it is a route to a better life.
I got to meet and make life long friends with a complete cross section of society at University. Comments about “those” sort of people make me very sad that people still feel the divide despite the massive increase in access to higher education over the past two decades.

I think the variety of types of people does vary from uni to uni these days, more so than perhaps back in the day.

DS is back from visiting a friend at another uni and he was quite shocked at how everyone was the same, compared to his uni. “Copy and paste” was the expression he used. Which is a shame, as if you’re only surrounded by people with similar backgrounds to you (he said they all wore the same clothes, all wore signet rings etc) then you’re missing out on a big learning that uni can provide.

PettsWoodParadise · 02/02/2024 14:21

I think how diverse you find a university depends what your 'norm' and reference point is as to how 'different' you see any Uni. DD came from a school that had no ethic minority or majority, it was so very diverse racially and also socio-economically as it had ex-private school pupils and those on free school meals (a grammar). She has found her Uni less diverse racially, but similar socio-economically. A Uni friend of hers finds her University very racially diverse as it is compared to what she is used to.

It also depends where you seek out any potential friends, if you stay in halls the chances are if you are in the cheap halls people have chosen (I know 'chosen' and halls often aren't in the same sentence as often it is a bit more random than that!) if for a reason so are less likely to meet socio-economically different people. DD's halls have the same price for all the accomodation whether it is basic or en-suite so is a rare example of how that doesn't happen. She tends to socialise with those from some clubs she has joined like the drama group and they are all very diverse across race, backgrounds, orientation, (dis)ability, outlooks. Also just because a majority like the same thing (the Taylor Swift society is very popular at her Uni!) it doesn't mean they are not different in other ways, they find connection points with what they have in common and then respect the differences.

Twickenham7 · 02/02/2024 16:03

Me too! My daughter's still waiting to hear back from 4 of her choices. I'm hoping that things get moving soon.

WombatChocolate · 02/02/2024 17:08

I think some young people (and their parents) are specifically on the look-out for those or groups that are different to them. It seems concerns about places being ‘posh’ are pretty widespread as they come up on MN all the time. They have all wins their places at the uni or are applying for places which are viable options, but somehow some are determined to see differences and to see them as a negative. Others will be from the same backgrounds and encounter the same people from a different background and find it interesting, not notice or certainly not see it as a negative.

In the end, everyone has to narrow down their choices and there are all kinds of good reasons for choosing or rejecting a university option. Young people can be swayed by all kinds of things which are pretty minor, but it seems a lot are swayed by the idea that some places are full of ‘posh’ people and somehow those people won’t be very nice or they won’t be able to get on with them. I really wonder why this idea is so strongly felt by so many, when huge numbers every year say they met people from a range of backgrounds and it really didn’t matter. Some don’t even seem to want to give people from different backgrounds to themselves a chance - and I know it can work in all directions.

What is it which enables one teen from a particular background to be able to embrace the place and it’s range of people, when another is so sure it isn’t for them, even before visiting?

I think it’s a terrible shame on lots of levels, but particularly when people exclude themselves from the really top universities. I know lots of work is being done about widening participation etc etc, but what about attitudes, because these seem a major barrier. And I think a lot comes from parents who have bought into stereotypes and tell their young people that a particular place won’t feel comfortable to them.

When people do get to university, I think they find that there are some students from well-off backgrounds who have been to the old public schools, private day schools, state grammars and comprehensives. There are sporty people from all places and very clever people from all places and people they get on with all groups…if they manage to mix rather than shit themselves away from anyone who might be different. Lots seem surprised when they discover this. And that’s good that they discover it. But lots never discover it because they aren’t prepared to mix. I ultimately think it’s a lack of confidence in themselves and based on fear. It can happen to any potential student from any background. If they are on very much on the look-out for classism or prejucdice they will probably find it quicker than if they started in an open minded way.

Just my thoughts, but I remain surprised how often concerns about fitting in come up, and what a massive obstacle this still remains, not just to students from really disadvantaged backgrounds, but also to those who have actually often had pretty advantaged backgrounds…but have a sense that a significant group have had many more advantages than them and can’t be good people to be with.

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UZS · 02/02/2024 17:21

Excellent comment

TiaSeeya · 02/02/2024 17:23

🤷‍♀️ DS was just observing everyone looked the same - there wasn’t a judgement that he didn’t like or was intimidated by the “copy and pastes”. Just that they all seemed the same. And that that felt odd.

Of course, he means the way they look - as I very much doubt in one weekend he got the opportunity to get to know any of them meaningfully.

lifeturnsonadime · 02/02/2024 17:28

@WombatChocolate I think this too. There are loads of comments about London being difficult because of internationals (along with costs). One of my old flatmates of almost 30 years ago sent me a picture the other day of our 4th year (return from year abroad) accommodation from my university. I lived with a Singaporean National - he was the guy who sent me the picture, a Chinese girl , a girl from the Us and 2 UK students. The fact we were all from all over the place was enriching. Now I understand that there is some 'we all stick together' vibes from international students, but most people just wanted to get along. I have friends from lots of different countries who I am still in contact with to varying degrees. I see it as such a positive. I've even been hosted by ex - international student friends when I've been abroad in the past. Our children are now similar ages. My Singaoporean friend's son (same age as our DC) has a year in the army for National Service before he can attend university. He is called Keswick (the son) in honour of his father's time living in the UK.

I was first generation at university in my family, I saw it as broadening my horizon's.

Angrymum22 · 02/02/2024 18:01

A number small of DS’s school friends were picky about their choice of uni. He was privately educated so a good few of them went to Exeter purely based on its reputation for attracting the posh set. Fortunately DS is more interested in the reputation of the Uni rather than its students. He was very dismissive of one friend’s attitude. Maybe he is a little more mature, he is very keen on Cardiff, the Uni felt comfortable as did the city. He also changed his mind about Birmingham, initially he felt is was too close to home, but after visiting he was hooked. He knows that wherever he goes he will find his tribe whether it be sports based or just kindred spirits.

legobrickseverywhere · 02/02/2024 18:51

DS got an offer from Durham to do Natsci today! He is so happy. As it’s his first choice and offer! And it’s been such a long wait from when he applied.
Good luck to your DC!

lifeturnsonadime · 02/02/2024 21:58

legobrickseverywhere · 02/02/2024 18:51

DS got an offer from Durham to do Natsci today! He is so happy. As it’s his first choice and offer! And it’s been such a long wait from when he applied.
Good luck to your DC!

Amazing, well done to your DS!

mondaytosunday · 02/02/2024 22:17

A relief! Well done son of @legobrickseverywhere!

PumpkinKnitter · 03/02/2024 10:44

@legobrickseverywhere That's wonderful! Congratulations to your DS

@WombatChocolate Very well said! My DD2 went to Leeds, where she became close friends with a couple of girls from very much more affluent backgrounds - houses in London, Cotswolds and France, private school etc. Not an issue.

One of the unis on DD3's radar is Exeter, which I suspect may end up as her insurance. She hasn't visited yet, and I am trying to make sure that she doesn't let the "posh" reputation unsettle her. Yes, it does attract a certain private school set (as @Angrymum22 points out), but 2/3rds of the students are from the state sector so they are by definition the minority. Yes, there will probably be some loud, posh students, but she is a quiet soul who wouldn't be attracted by a loud set in any circumstances! I would be horrified if she limited her choices by only wanting to mix with students with the same social / financial / educational background.

Aardvarksforall · 03/02/2024 11:09

DS has two offers of interviews now for art (first and second choices, so he's delighted, and hopefully both are realistic). We're not actually bothered about hearing back from anywhere else now, but do you generally tend to hear from other unis, even if it's a "no, we're not interested", or do they simply not reply? Anyone have any idea?

Innisfree · 03/02/2024 13:01

Aardvarksforall · 03/02/2024 11:09

DS has two offers of interviews now for art (first and second choices, so he's delighted, and hopefully both are realistic). We're not actually bothered about hearing back from anywhere else now, but do you generally tend to hear from other unis, even if it's a "no, we're not interested", or do they simply not reply? Anyone have any idea?

@Aardvarksforall generally there should either be an offer, or a rejection. Though it can be right up to the UCAS response deadline.

Cantonet · 03/02/2024 14:42

Can I join in?
I'm a bit behind this year as ds2 is my 4th applying for uni & I'm consequently pretty laid back about it all. Plus I had twins applying the previous year & I got a bit universitied out!
Ds2 is applying for Psychology & sent in his application a couple of weeks ago. So far he has had two offers - Sheffield & Loughborough. He's waiting on Bristol, Ucl & Bath. I have one already doing Architecture at UCL & my eldest did Veterinary Med. at Bristol. So the only uni we have no experience of so far is Loughborough.

mondaytosunday · 03/02/2024 15:55

You know not everyone who goes to private school is an obnoxious entitled twit. The vast majority, even at exclusive highly selective ones, are perfectly ordinary kids who may either have wealthy parents, parents who have saved hard, or on a bursary.
My DD believes she may be just about the only privately educated person on her Art Foundation course, and says it's amazing how when walking around (it's in London) if there are groups of young kids in uniform how disparaging her friends are. Simply by the fact those kids may be in private school the derogatory comments come out. My daughter was at the only private school in her area, and so they often came across kids from the local state schools. She said they never ever made such comments about them, they understood their privilege. She says she has never told them where she went to school and certainly won't now.

PumpkinKnitter · 03/02/2024 18:35

@mondaytosunday I hope I didn't come across as dismissive of private school students as a whole. I was meaning to contrast the students who go to Exeter specifically because they perceive it as posh (and may or may not be obnoxious twits?) with the majority of students who don't, whatever their educational background.

TiaSeeya · 03/02/2024 18:45

mondaytosunday · 03/02/2024 15:55

You know not everyone who goes to private school is an obnoxious entitled twit. The vast majority, even at exclusive highly selective ones, are perfectly ordinary kids who may either have wealthy parents, parents who have saved hard, or on a bursary.
My DD believes she may be just about the only privately educated person on her Art Foundation course, and says it's amazing how when walking around (it's in London) if there are groups of young kids in uniform how disparaging her friends are. Simply by the fact those kids may be in private school the derogatory comments come out. My daughter was at the only private school in her area, and so they often came across kids from the local state schools. She said they never ever made such comments about them, they understood their privilege. She says she has never told them where she went to school and certainly won't now.

I also am not sure where the comment about privately educated children being obnoxious twats came from. There’s a lot of snippiness here - if its not ok to comment that DS observed that everyone he saw from one uni one weekend was copy & paste then I am thinking there is some over-sensitivity going on.

The point of mentioning it was to highlight that for us, anyway, choosing a uni is also about choosing somewhere that there are a wide variety of people. Similarly if everyone wore Adenola hoodies and had balayage hair that wouldn’t be great either. Variety being the key. Not sure why that is not ok to mention.

WombatChocolate · 03/02/2024 19:29

Most young people haven’t had a very broad experience of life. Many have lived all their lives in one place and been to one type of school and do t know many people from different backgrounds to their own.

Going to uni opens up the world and they meet people from regions of the country they’ve never heard of or been to and people from different social and economic backgrounds. They know it’s going to happen and they’ve heard stories about ‘types’ of people and many latch onto stereotypes before they’ve even visited. Some are excited about meeting different types of people and embrace it, but others are less confident and feel a bit threatened or challenged by the ideas and on the look-out for people who are different or they perceive as ‘wrong’ and have a disposition to feel critical about them or to see those other groups as treating them differently. It seems such a common theme.

After Open Days, lots of MN posters speak of their kids referring to a vibe that they didn’t like in certain places - they seem hyper-sensitive to noticing there are people different to them. And many of them seem to have a sense they can only feel comfortable when people are like them.

Clearly the majority if people going to uni are from state schools. This is the case even in the unis that have more privately educated students. Lots of young people seem to see privately educated students as to be avoided. They have a stereo-type in mind of ‘rash’ and if by chance they do meet one, it really sticks in their minds. But often they forget that most uni students are just bright teens and after meeting one and seeing them and chatting to them, it could often be impossible to tell what kind of school they came feom, if it wasn’t explicitly discussed. Most privately educated students are from middling private schools with middle class parents, who often do jobs very similar to the large numbers who go to unis from the state grammars and comps in fairly affluent areas. But in their minds, these middle class state school kids often seem to think that places like Exeter or Durham will be rammed with people behaving in a stereotypical way. It won’t be the case. As parents, I think some also don’t help in perpetuating the idea that the kids might feel uncomfortable with different people.

I suppose a lot if teens are ore-disposed to be fairly conservative and leans towards what they know. Going off to uni is already a big step into the unknown and for lots, going very far or the prospect of people who in their minds might be quite different is bad. Different = bad. It’s funny because kids today are always on about diversity. They are taught constantly not to be racist or classist and to embrace diversity, but actually most find it pretty hard in reality and aren’t confident enough to do it. It’s a real shame.

And on these threads where people are talking about who has got offers and who hasn’t, and contextual offers and universities looking to broaden participation etc etc, it seems to make parents become defensive too and a bit divided. Private school parents often seem to feel under attack and as if their kids are being discriminated against in admissions…and perhaps this defensiveness deepensthe sense some people have about entitled families and what privately educated teens might be like. I suppose at Open Days everyone is having a little look at what the other families (and the potential competition for places) might look like - are they like them or somehow do they seem ‘different’.

And given the young people have to reduce their application list to 5 and then to 2 after offers, when lots of courses are pretty similar and it’s hard to choose, they need some criteria for reducing their lists of options. It seems ‘I saw people who didn’t seem to be like me’ is a big deciding factor for lots. They have to use some kind of criteria to decide in the end, but it’s a shame when they do it based on this, and when sometimes they don’t even visit but discount places because ‘it’s too posh for me’ or ‘people there wouldn’t like people like me’.

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TiaSeeya · 03/02/2024 19:46

WombatChocolate · 03/02/2024 19:29

Most young people haven’t had a very broad experience of life. Many have lived all their lives in one place and been to one type of school and do t know many people from different backgrounds to their own.

Going to uni opens up the world and they meet people from regions of the country they’ve never heard of or been to and people from different social and economic backgrounds. They know it’s going to happen and they’ve heard stories about ‘types’ of people and many latch onto stereotypes before they’ve even visited. Some are excited about meeting different types of people and embrace it, but others are less confident and feel a bit threatened or challenged by the ideas and on the look-out for people who are different or they perceive as ‘wrong’ and have a disposition to feel critical about them or to see those other groups as treating them differently. It seems such a common theme.

After Open Days, lots of MN posters speak of their kids referring to a vibe that they didn’t like in certain places - they seem hyper-sensitive to noticing there are people different to them. And many of them seem to have a sense they can only feel comfortable when people are like them.

Clearly the majority if people going to uni are from state schools. This is the case even in the unis that have more privately educated students. Lots of young people seem to see privately educated students as to be avoided. They have a stereo-type in mind of ‘rash’ and if by chance they do meet one, it really sticks in their minds. But often they forget that most uni students are just bright teens and after meeting one and seeing them and chatting to them, it could often be impossible to tell what kind of school they came feom, if it wasn’t explicitly discussed. Most privately educated students are from middling private schools with middle class parents, who often do jobs very similar to the large numbers who go to unis from the state grammars and comps in fairly affluent areas. But in their minds, these middle class state school kids often seem to think that places like Exeter or Durham will be rammed with people behaving in a stereotypical way. It won’t be the case. As parents, I think some also don’t help in perpetuating the idea that the kids might feel uncomfortable with different people.

I suppose a lot if teens are ore-disposed to be fairly conservative and leans towards what they know. Going off to uni is already a big step into the unknown and for lots, going very far or the prospect of people who in their minds might be quite different is bad. Different = bad. It’s funny because kids today are always on about diversity. They are taught constantly not to be racist or classist and to embrace diversity, but actually most find it pretty hard in reality and aren’t confident enough to do it. It’s a real shame.

And on these threads where people are talking about who has got offers and who hasn’t, and contextual offers and universities looking to broaden participation etc etc, it seems to make parents become defensive too and a bit divided. Private school parents often seem to feel under attack and as if their kids are being discriminated against in admissions…and perhaps this defensiveness deepensthe sense some people have about entitled families and what privately educated teens might be like. I suppose at Open Days everyone is having a little look at what the other families (and the potential competition for places) might look like - are they like them or somehow do they seem ‘different’.

And given the young people have to reduce their application list to 5 and then to 2 after offers, when lots of courses are pretty similar and it’s hard to choose, they need some criteria for reducing their lists of options. It seems ‘I saw people who didn’t seem to be like me’ is a big deciding factor for lots. They have to use some kind of criteria to decide in the end, but it’s a shame when they do it based on this, and when sometimes they don’t even visit but discount places because ‘it’s too posh for me’ or ‘people there wouldn’t like people like me’.

Don’t disagree with any of that but really perplexed as why this diatribe is aimed at me, when all I said was that DS commented that all the students looked the same 🤯

WombatChocolate · 03/02/2024 20:46

No, not aimed at you or anyone in particular. There are multiple points where this theme comes up in this thread and many other university threads. I’m just making a general observation.

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TiaSeeya · 03/02/2024 20:49

WombatChocolate · 03/02/2024 20:46

No, not aimed at you or anyone in particular. There are multiple points where this theme comes up in this thread and many other university threads. I’m just making a general observation.

OK great thanks - thought it seemed a bit much. It should be ok to be able to comment on an apparent lack of diversity without getting shut down.

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